What makes an Amp go into Standby ?
beardog03
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I realize that a bad ground or something like that would make it trip, but it has not moved or been in any way changed or messed with fro quite some time, so.....
What makes an Amp trip intostandby mode ?
Why does the overheated light come on when the amp is not even warm to the touch...it`s ice cold
I have located a pristine amp to replace it with, and I`m working on it as we speak, but I hate to just toss this one out if it`s fixable....
I`m using a Dennon 3802 pre/pro and a T.O.L Yammie CDP
AQ Diamondback I/C`s (new)
and Regular 12 ga Monster cable fro surrounds and AQ Type 4 for the Center..
I will be using all type 4 when I`m done, but I digress
All Polk LSi speaks..
I`m going to pop the top and take a peek....where do I start...besides the obvious ?
What makes an Amp trip intostandby mode ?
Why does the overheated light come on when the amp is not even warm to the touch...it`s ice cold
I have located a pristine amp to replace it with, and I`m working on it as we speak, but I hate to just toss this one out if it`s fixable....
I`m using a Dennon 3802 pre/pro and a T.O.L Yammie CDP
AQ Diamondback I/C`s (new)
and Regular 12 ga Monster cable fro surrounds and AQ Type 4 for the Center..
I will be using all type 4 when I`m done, but I digress
All Polk LSi speaks..
I`m going to pop the top and take a peek....where do I start...besides the obvious ?
Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
:cool:
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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the protection system can go bad, nothing wrong with the amp, the protection goes bad.
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"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us have...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..." -
I was afraid you were going to say that !!!Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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The first thing I tried was switching outlets...
It worked for a litte while..
Then I went through the speaker cables to make sure nothing was touching...
I think I need to open her up and see if something is fried, or got inside somehow..
I just hate to start messing around without some sort of direction
It wa sdropped , literally , at my feet...by the DHL guy
The clown I bought it from sent it from texas wrapped in two pillows !!
He said he was going to file a claim, but then just disappeared from the forum....(mesquitehead)(sp)
It has done fine for the last year, but I figured I was pushing my luck by going that long
Man I tought the HT rig was done for a while !!
Guess I was wrong ....Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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could be a thermal couple for the heat sensing circuit. Did you check the connections inside your speaker??
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No...
I figured since the LSi`s are fairly new that they wouldn`t be the problem...
I guess they could be...yes ?Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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never know, is the amp 4 ohm stable?
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The owner is usually the culprit.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Find a decent tech to take a look at it. My old Parasound was constantly going into "protect" mode a couple of years ago. There is a twelve volt signal that turned on the relay (not to be confused with a 12v trigger, it didn't have one), there was a bad cap in the twelve volt circuit, causing it to lose power, and open the relay. Total cost of repair? $0.52 in parts.
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gremlins- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Opening her up can fix a lot of obvious problems as well as discrete component type problems where you can follow the normal circuit flow....but like in Williams case, A parameter needed to be met ( 12 volts to the relay ) and it wasnt, this is where the schematics for the amp would be needed.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club
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See if these guys have your particular amp's schematic/service manual
http://www.antechlabs.com/servicemanuals.htmThe first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »gremlins
I totally forgot about then, good call:D -
yes it is 4 ohm stable....
Mark is probably right, it could be operator error
And I did find a gremlin in the dennon..
I also have a pending sale on an absolutly minty, less than 80 hrs old replacement..
I`m gonna see if Shadow wants to help me rebuild this one....or somebody that knows what they are doing to help build a F1 version of it`s former self !!Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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beardog,
Parasound will email the schematic to you. Call them and talk to Tony Pointes. He may also give you some advice on which part of the circuit to focus on. FYI: Parasound doesn't really produce "service manuals", just the schematics. One good think, amps like this are generally are built from of many inexpensive parts (appart from the large caps and transformers). No high dollar digital boards to replace. That's why they are almost always worth fixing. -
I`ll post a pic in a few minutes...I think I found the problem..
A cap has leaked the brown stuff out the bottm of it..
and it`s right on the top board...easy to get to..
Thanks for the hook-up..
I will get ahold of Tony and get the schematics MondayCary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
:cool: -
beardog,
Parasound will email the schematic to you. Call them and talk to Tony Pointes. He may also give you some advice on which part of the circuit to focus on. FYI: Parasound doesn't really produce "service manuals", just the schematics. One good think, amps like this are generally are built from of many inexpensive parts (appart from the large caps and transformers). No high dollar digital boards to replace. That's why they are almost always worth fixing.
This amp looks extremely simple inside....One big **** toroidal transformer...one control board and 5 redundant single board amplifiers sharing one chassis...see the picture I posted above....as simple as they come for multiple channel amps.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
In looking a little closer, I found that Pairs of the light blue caps on each board have been leaking...
I am still looking forward to "rebuilding" this amp....it will be a great learning experience..
It does seem pretty sraight forward inside, as you say...
I am wondering why they are leaking...what was the cause of the problem ?Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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That should be pretty easy to fix. Don't overthink things and believe that everything must be completely rebuilt and upgraded. I would suggest a suitable replacement, perhaps better, capacitor and just fix the problem.
We're talking about the 2205 right?CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
some pic`s...Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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Mark,
Yes...the 2205a
I think that with some guidence, it shouldn`t be too badCary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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You're smart, you don't need 50 emails and 4 phone calls to replace a capacitor.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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waaaaaaaaaaaa
thanks bro !
I just need some suggestions as to brand to "upgrade " if necessary
Thanks to you, I love me Parasounds !!!Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
:cool: -
Solen.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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If they are the same caps on each individual single channel ....it could have been a bad batch of smaller electrolytics...A few years back I had to change out about 30 or so Dell motherboards in the 400SC server systems...bad batches of electrolytic caps . They were cheaply made...couldnt handle the application they SHOULD have been able to according to their rated thermal/electrical markings...and the pressure was building up inside as the electrolyte failed ...some just bulged...some popped their safety vents and leaked ....even the ones that just bulged sometimes internally shorted and failed.
Look at this link http://www.news.com/PCs-plagued-by-bad-capacitors/2100-1041_3-5942647.html?tag=nefd.lede I saved it from a while back...scroll down and click on the picture of the caps that says click to view....see if your caps look the same as you scroll through the pics.
Luckily they are easy to change out......piece of cake...she will live again
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For replacement caps I would look at the very good and inexpensive Panasonic FC series caps from Digi Key.Make sure they are the same value of capactance and at least the same voltage.Testing
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Ha...I was typing as you were posting the pics....easy fix....you did stay at a Holiday Inn Express this year right ?
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Here is a link to Digi Key.http://www.digikey.com/ You can order a free catalog it is huge.
BTW,The Panasonic FC caps I mentioned are low impedance electrolytics and are superior parts to the stock ones.They are excellent for local power supply decoupling which is likely what the purpose of those are in the amp.Testing
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Thanks for all the help guys..
yeah, thay are all the same ones on each board
They all leaked from the top or bottom
I`m starting to feel better now ...:o
I`m waiting to hear from the guy with my new replacement amp..
It`s making me crazy waiting like this..!!!Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
:cool: -
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Parasound HCA-3500
Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
Jolida JD-100 CDP
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Audio Plus Power Cords
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)
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yeah, thay are all the same ones on each board
That for sure points to a really bad batch of caps...or Parasound used the wrong cap for the job ( More likely bad batch ) ...either way I would contact them even out of warranty. When its obvious that each board failed in the exact same way....most of the better manufacturers would help you in that situation...point them to this thread as well.
One more thing....I would for sure pop the top of the new amp you are getting to just look for this same issue....it possibly could have been manufactured with the same batch of internal single channel amps.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club






