Finally got the LSi9's; Comments and Recommendations Welcome

BrianV
BrianV Posts: 57
edited October 2006 in Speakers
Ok, if you search my previous posts, I had expressed interest in getting the LSi9s to replace my Monitor 60s. Here's some background on my old setup:

Pioneer VSX-1015TX Pioneer Receiver (120Wx7)
Fronts: Monitor 60s
Center: CS2
Rears: Monitor 30s
Sub: Velodyne DPS 12"

I had been happy with my setup's performance for home theater, but I wanted a little more for 2ch music. I listen to my audio in a standard stereo setup with a 50 Hz cross-over to the Velodyne. I do listen pretty loud, but nothing ridiculous. I wanted more clarity, better imaging, and slightly better mid to low response out of the Monitor 60's.

Well this weekend the LSi9s were $100 off at Tweeter. I debated buying a set on Ebay for sometime, but it's harder to find the Ebony's and from everything I read here, I was concerned they wouldn't work in my system due to the 4ohm/8ohm issues and my modest receiver. Tweeter has a 30 day return policy so I figured I'd give them a try. After asking and searching here I felt that the speakers wouldn't work at all with my receiver. This in contrary to the fact that both Tweeter and Fry's demo the LSi9s (and they sound awesome) in their demos on switchable A/V Receivers without any additional amplification. In fact at Fry's, I powered the LSi9s on a $299 Harmon Kardon system with 2x50w stereo power (granted, HK rates a more realistic number, 50w by HK standards is VERY low, probably like 80-90w from a Pioneer, Yamaha, or Denon).

Needless to say, I hooked the LSi9s up at home and immediately listened in stereo. The Pioneer receiver had no problem powering them. Granted, I do end up cranking the volume a little more to achieve the same volume level as with the 60s, it didn't seem too overwhelming. I played music at LOUD volumes for 30 minutes without hitch. I reconfigured the A/V receiver using MCAA and it adjusted the front speakers to match the rest of the set. It only gave a +1db adjustment to the front speakers to make it fit with the remaining setup. In fact, I believe my Monitor 60s even detected a +1db adjustment to match with the CS2.

I watched Terminator 2 Extreme Edition last night at LOUD levels and found the system better than before, especially with super high effects like glass shattering, and lows (we'll get to BASS next).

Like said, I had been running my crossover network at 50 Hz for the sub. I noticed with the LSi9s that my bass seemed a lot louder. I thought it was due to my sub's gain being turned up, but I turned the sub off completely. Even w/ the 50 Hz cross-over still on (sub off), the low end response out of the LSi9s was just sensational. I never thought bookshelfs could do that. It was considerably better than what my Monitor 60's could do. I've heard the RTi12s in stereo config without a sub before and was impressed at the bass, but I'd say the LSi9s are similar.

I think I'm going to set my fronts as Large and not use the cross-over or sub at all when listening to music, at least music that doesn't have much bass less than 50Hz anyways. Although occasionally I listen to RAP, it's quite rare and that's the only thing I have that produces sound that low.

In summary, I'm fairly impressed with the LSi9s, especially with their low end response. The ROI on going from the M60s to the LSi9s wasn't as significant as one would think, but I think that's a testament to the M60s being great speakers, especially when using a good sub. Going from my old Panasonic speakers to the M60s seemed like night and day. The M60s to LSi9s was noticable, but not night and day. That's true of all things, you get diminishing returns as you go higher up the line. The other great thing about the LSi9s is the quality of them. You can tell they're nice by just looking at them; the detail of the wood, etc.

Although I ultimately have plans of going LSiC and LSi7, I'm more into music than HT so the LSi9s will hold me over for my music needs indefinitely. My reason for posting was to explain that even with a modest $500 receiver, I'm happy with the performance of the LSi9s and I'm even satisfied with how they fit in on the HT side with the CS2 and M30s. The receiver handles the mix of 4ohm and 8ohm fine (albeit they are separate channels).

Of course, I will watch over time to see if the receiver overheats and ever goes into protection and then go with an auxiliary amp, but for now I think all is ok. Maybe with the LSiC and LSi7s it might be overdoing it for the amp. When/if that happens, I'll just make the final purchase of a good 5 channel amp (which from my understanding can be had for a good deal on Ebay).

I must inform you that I'm not a hardcore audiophile so I'm sure many of you will think my approach and configuration is garbage, and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. On the contrary, I had EXTREME hesitation to install the LSi9s because of what everyone on here told me. I'll definitely report back if I run into any future problems, but at this point all is well, and I'm happy. I also spoke with the Manager at Tweeter about the LSi series and he says that they sell full LSi setups with sub $1,000 AV receivers all the time and never have returns/complaints.

Take it for what it's worth. I'm interested in your experiences/comments, even if they're negative.

On a final note, I'm continually impressed with the quality of Polk speakers. Both in terms of sound and overall build quality.

Thanks,
Brian
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited September 2006
    Congratulations on your new speakers....

    Righty-o, daddy-o.... what's important is what sounds good to you. And to think it's only going to sound better when you eventually pony up the ducets for some external amplification;)
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • lanion
    lanion Posts: 843
    edited September 2006
    Congratulations on your new speakers....

    Righty-o, daddy-o.... what's important is what sounds good to you. And to think it's only going to sound better when you eventually pony up the ducets for some external amplification;)

    ... which you should only do if you are unsatisfied with your setup :). I switched to a seperate amp because my reciever really *couldn't* handle the LSis well and I noticed a lot of strain.
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  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    Congratulations on your new speakers....

    Righty-o, daddy-o.... what's important is what sounds good to you. And to think it's only going to sound better when you eventually pony up the ducets for some external amplification;)

    I don't know about that. I'm not getting any clipping or distortion and until I do, I question how much better (in terms of audible quality) an external amp will give, and how noticable it will be is another question. As I add more LSi components to the setup I can see it potentially getting worse, but I'll cross that bridge if I ever get to it and/or when it comes.
  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    My main point here was to encourage people considering LSi9s to try them on their receiver. It will likely work. If you get clipping or recevier shock, then you can plan on getting an external amp, but the speakers WILL work.

    I took those speakers home not knowing if they'd even work and in fact leaning towards the negative side. Now if I went all LSi from the get-go I'd still move on with caution and anticipation of problems.
  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited September 2006
    Congrats on your speakers! I will shortly be getting the 9s or 15s for my 2-channel setup.

    When/if you get an amp, you'll like the speakers that much more.

    Andy
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  • lanion
    lanion Posts: 843
    edited September 2006
    One piece of advice : if you ever DO get clipping in the low bass, change your crossover to 60hz. The LSi9s are most demanding at 50hz, so by alievating them of that task you may gain a little headroom. Again, if you arn't having any troubles don't change a thing!
    My Iron Man training/charity blog.

    HT:
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited September 2006
    BrianV wrote:
    I'm not getting any clipping or distortion and until I do, I question how much better (in terms of audible quality) an external amp will give, and how noticable it will be is another question.

    And more power to your gear (pardon the pun):p

    Like I said previously, I'm sure it sounds splendid. Just be aware that most speakers (including and especially the Lsi's) would benefit from not only quantity of power but quality of power as well.

    It's not about feeding it enough juice so as to avoid distortion. Amps should not be viewed as a preemptive entity. You have unbelievable equipment that is blessed with quite a bit of potential, and as such will surprise you more and more with each upgrade.

    Congrats again:)
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
    edited September 2006
    No doubt the LSi9 will work with a receiver, heck, I had an HK AVR 330 2 years ago that I had hooked up to 9s and 7s.

    The thing is, with a receiver, you wont get the stage depth, transients, and blur-free center vocal imaging that you would get with a high end separate amp.

    Look at it this way, you can power a Camry with a Corolla engine, no doubt, but get a V6 and you're well on your way.

    Or... sure they sell the BMW 5 series in the 2.5 Liter flavor, but they also have it in the 500hp M5 flavor.

    All in all, receivers are fine in powering the 9s, but you should reserve judgement on them (as in they are far better than the 60s, believe me) until you have them properly powered with equipment that equal their worth.
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  • GATOR3000
    GATOR3000 Posts: 355
    edited September 2006
    I got Lsi15’s just a week ago. When I brought them home hooked them up on Denon 3806 for fun. The 15’s actually sounded very good with the 120wpc Denon and no clipping. Moderate volume though. After a while I hooked them up with Parasound external amp and WOW. Day and night. Denon just didn’t fill my room and it was kind of muddy and midrange was not there.

    With the Parasound it is fantastic in 2-channel stereo. Full range sound very clean, crisp and it filled the room without knowing where the music is coming from. You are going to need and amp eventually.

    Gator :):)
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  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    Thanks for the advice, the amp is easy enough and cheap enough. I'll keep my eyes out for a good 5 channel amp. Any recommendations?
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
    edited September 2006
    BrianV wrote:
    Thanks for the advice, the amp is easy enough and cheap enough. I'll keep my eyes out for a good 5 channel amp. Any recommendations?

    Now therein lies the pickle.... keep in mind that not all amps are the same. My Rotel 1070 was a good improvement over the HK, but my new Rotel 1090 is an even better performer. Next up is something like a Plinius which I expect to be an even better performer... and so on.

    You could always go with a 2 channel amp, so you could focus your money on a better 2 channel amp... and have the receiver power the center and rears for the meantime.

    Just some food for thought.
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  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    I was thinking of buying a 3 channel amp and letting the receiver handle the rears since they get minimal usage anyhow. Looking at the Adcom.

    PS - If there isn't a noticable difference I'm going to be pissed at you guys ;)
  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited September 2006
    There will be, but feel free to take your time and enjoy the hunt (and more importantly, your new speaks).

    You know what do if you experience any distortion and/or clipping, so all is well.

    Good idea on the 3-channel amp -- definitely worth exploring in my opinion.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited September 2006
    I too vote for going 2ch amp and letting your receiver power the center and surrounds for now. Since you do music more than ht you might have better luck kicking things off with a nice two channel amp and then work your way from there if you want to go crazy with ht. I started with ht but decided to ditch it and just go two channel and haven't looked back since. I have kept the ht rig going but it's all old gear that's been and gone through the two channel system.

    When I first got my LSi7's I wasn't really too satisfied right out of the box. I was powering them with a receiver and they hadn't broken in yet so the difference between what I had before the the 7's wasn't night and day. Once they started to break in (around 75 - 100 hours) and I got a little better gear they opened right up and I finally understood why so many people on the forum like the LSi series.

    You'll probably notice they change a bit over the next few weeks. They should start to image better and just sound fuller. Someone here described it as a diamond in the middle of the soundstage that slowly starts to fill in. Remember to play with placement too. Since they're rear ported I find having them pulled out from the back wall about three feet gives them enough breathing room. If they're too close they'll get really boomy (in my room anyways)

    Congrats and enjoy them. You might not be thinking up upgrading just yet but give it some time and I'm sure the cravings to do so will set in soon ;)

    edit: wow that didn't take long for the upgrade bug to get ya :p
  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    michael_w wrote:
    I too vote for going 2ch amp and letting your receiver power the center and surrounds for now. Since you do music more than ht you might have better luck kicking things off with a nice two channel amp and then work your way from there if you want to go crazy with ht. I started with ht but decided to ditch it and just go two channel and haven't looked back since. I have kept the ht rig going but it's all old gear that's been and gone through the two channel system.

    When I first got my LSi7's I wasn't really too satisfied right out of the box. I was powering them with a receiver and they hadn't broken in yet so the difference between what I had before the the 7's wasn't night and day. Once they started to break in (around 75 - 100 hours) and I got a little better gear they opened right up and I finally understood why so many people on the forum like the LSi series.

    You'll probably notice they change a bit over the next few weeks. They should start to image better and just sound fuller. Someone here described it as a diamond in the middle of the soundstage that slowly starts to fill in. Remember to play with placement too. Since they're rear ported I find having them pulled out from the back wall about three feet gives them enough breathing room. If they're too close they'll get really boomy (in my room anyways)

    Congrats and enjoy them. You might not be thinking up upgrading just yet but give it some time and I'm sure the cravings to do so will set in soon ;)

    edit: wow that didn't take long for the upgrade bug to get ya :p


    Yeah my placement is really good, optimized from my previous setup. I'm at a 10-11' triangle, and the left speaker has about 4' behind it, the right, about 6'.

    It's my rear speakers that suffer with only about a 6" clearance from the back wall, but hey they're just rear speakers.
  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited September 2006
    BrianV wrote:
    IPS - If there isn't a noticable difference I'm going to be pissed at you guys ;)

    Brian,

    I have posted a link to my review that I did of my system once I purchased a 7 channel x 200watt amp for my system. This will give you an idea of what to expect when you hook up your new amp. I was a bit surprised to find out that it was not the fact that I could crank my system up louder that mattered. It was the fact that all my speakers now had plenty of power to fully be utilized by my system. What I did not realize at the time was that my receiver was having to give all its power to the front soundstage and thus I was not getting enough power to my surrounds and rear to give me that great HT imaging. I did not realize that fact until I purchased an amp. In other words, I thought my setup was just fine until I purchased an amp and heard the difference. That is what you can expect. Here is the link: Scroll down to where I start rambling. hehe

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33040
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  • knownalien
    knownalien Posts: 143
    edited September 2006
    I've heard the RTi12s in stereo config without a sub before and was impressed at the bass, but I'd say the LSi9s are similar.

    This is the only thing that I was curious about.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
    edited September 2006
    Can you look for another amp other than adcom?
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited September 2006
    knownalien wrote:
    This is the only thing that I was curious about.

    Alien,

    I don't want to get your hopes up, but don't be surprised if a 5.25" driver in a small box does not perform bass wise as good as 3 7" drivers in a large box with a powerport plus. I will concede that the LSi9 tweeter will out perform the RTi series. That is definitely the LSi's claim to fame. But I would not place your money on a bookshelf generating the same bass impact as the top-of-the-line RTi series.

    Of course purchase a nice sub to compliment your system and all bets are off.

    :)
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
    edited September 2006
    No way can the 9s handle bass the way the 12s do. There just isnt that much air movement with the 5.25" woofers. What you will get as you move up in amplification is the tautness and utter dynamics improvement. You wont get any more extension than the cabinet is tuned at.
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited September 2006
    Joey_V wrote:
    No way can the 9s handle bass the way the 12s do. There just isnt that much air movement with the 5.25" woofers. What you will get as you move up in amplification is the tautness and utter dynamics improvement. You wont get any more extension than the cabinet is tuned at.

    Joey talks better audiophile than me. ;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,497
    edited September 2006
    Joey_V wrote:
    No way can the 9s handle bass the way the 12s do. There just isnt that much air movement with the 5.25" woofers. What you will get as you move up in amplification is the tautness and utter dynamics improvement. You wont get any more extension than the cabinet is tuned at.

    Right on the money. Bookshelfs just don't have the physical capability to produce scale like a floor stander can. I'm all for the 9's over the 12's because of other things it does exceptionally well, but no matter how good/expensive a book shelf design is it can never recreate the intended scale of a recording like a big displacement floorstander.

    You should have gotten the Lsi 15's.....JK :p . Enjoy what you have and be assured that moving to quality seperate amplification will do wonders in the soundstaging, imaging and dynamics of the speakers. Of course your source and pre-amp have to be up to the task as well.

    Enjoy! that's what it's all about. There's plenty of time to make upgrades and when you do there is no turning back..............Just ask Joey_V :p

    H9
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  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited September 2006
    The difference that i think most people are talking about is the increase in dynamic range (the difference between loud and soft) that an external amp will provide. For example, even at low volumes, hitting a guitar string has a large dynamic range in real life. When it first is hit, it has a sharp volume increase and then the vibration of the string slowly gets softer. A crappy amp cant reproduce that sharp volume increase like a good amp can. The overall effect is that everything just seems more life like.

    Now dynamic range pretty much has a direct relation to the size of your power supply and any power storage units (capasitors and transformers). Given this, i would look into a good size 5 channel amp, even if you only plan on hooking it up to 3 channels. It will have a bigger power supply and bigger transformer than a 3 channel amp.

    BrianV wrote:
    I was thinking of buying a 3 channel amp and letting the receiver handle the rears since they get minimal usage anyhow. Looking at the Adcom.

    PS - If there isn't a noticable difference I'm going to be pissed at you guys ;)
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  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    Well the Monitor 70's have 4 6.5" drivers on them and they do not produce the bass that these little LSi9 bookshelfs do.

    I heard the RTi12s in demo and then switched the the LSi9s and they both produced astounding bass levels considering no sub was used. Granted it was an acoustical rock song so the bass levels weren't outstanding to begin with. If I'm listening to music with intense bass, the RTi's 7" woofers won't touch a good standalone 12 or 15" sub.

    Based on the theory of the LSis not moving as much air and can't possibly have as much bass, please explain why the LSi9s produce way more bass than my friend's Monitor 70s?
  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited September 2006
    There's bass and then there's articulate bass. You can dig deep, but if it's a muddy, non-musical sludge fest, it's possible you're not even paying that much attention to it.

    My Arros have a single 4 1/2" driver and IMO they produce better bass than the aforementioned Monitor 70's. Why is this? Because it's articulate, defined, musical, and has tempo and pace -- maybe not slam in the physical sense, but definitely more noticable.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited September 2006
    Congrats an the 9s. Rather than set them to Large for music though, I would try just setting your crossover to 50 or so and see how you like it.
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  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    Congrats an the 9s. Rather than set them to Large for music though, I would try just setting your crossover to 50 or so and see how you like it.

    It's at 50 now and I'm happy with it. I think I'd ideally like to set it at 60, but my receiver jumps from 50 to 80.

    With the x-over at 50hz, majority of the bass still comes from the LSi9s in the type of music I listen to. I was running the same 50hz xover with the M60s and wasn't getting anywhere near the bass. That said, I probably should've ran an 80hz xover with the M60s because it appears they just weren't reproducing sounds as low as the LSi9s, but at the time I thought they were.
  • BrianV
    BrianV Posts: 57
    edited September 2006
    There's bass and then there's articulate bass. You can dig deep, but if it's a muddy, non-musical sludge fest, it's possible you're not even paying that much attention to it.

    My Arros have a single 4 1/2" driver and IMO they produce better bass than the aforementioned Monitor 70's. Why is this? Because it's articulate, defined, musical, and has tempo and pace -- maybe not slam in the physical sense, but definitely more noticable.

    That's my point. Obviously 4 6.5" drivers or some 7" drivers can move more air than the LSi9s but in a blind taste in the type of music I listen too, the LSi9s produce what appears to be more BASS than the Monitor 70s and nearly the same as the 12s.

    I'd wager to bet that in a blind test it'd be easy to discern the difference between the M70s and the LSi9s even when just talking about the level or volume of the bass. People would be shocked to see that it was the little bookshelf that beat out the tower with large drivers.
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
    edited September 2006
    BrianV wrote:
    That's my point. Obviously 4 6.5" drivers or some 7" drivers can move more air than the LSi9s but in a blind taste in the type of music I listen too, the LSi9s produce what appears to be more BASS than the Monitor 70s and nearly the same as the 12s.

    I'd wager to bet that in a blind test it'd be easy to discern the difference between the M70s and the LSi9s even when just talking about the level or volume of the bass. People would be shocked to see that it was the little bookshelf that beat out the tower with large drivers.


    Though I think the 9s might have a wee bit of help from its slight midbass hump.

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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited September 2006
    Brian must live in the "magic" room.............. LSIs love receiver power and create bass from nowhere.;)

    Glad you like your new speaker choice, just wait until your really get some gear to match. If you are driving them as hard as you claim and add more LSIs in the mix, it is simply a matter of time that will determine what will go first, tweeters or receiver channels.
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