SDA response to studio mixing

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,091
    edited October 2005
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    Also wanted to add that you could consider converting your music on the computer to Flac files. It a lossless compression system for audio. It typically only reduces a standard .wav file by 20-25% but you get no loss of audio quality. A good Flac file player is Foobar, but it's not too fancy like a music jukebox player, etc...There maybe other Flac file players out there too. Just another option. It's still going to take a lot of hard drive space for the amount of music you have.

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  • tugboat
    tugboat Posts: 393
    edited October 2005
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    Thanks, I'll check that out. I have a 400G drive on the way, so it just might be possible. Never thought my shorage would exit the Gigabyte range and into the Terabyte. I will have 1.4 terabytes soon. Yikes!

    Wish I could describe the affect used in some recordings that pull the voice (and it's almost always a voice), but if I hear it on non SDA speakers, I know what to expect on SDAs. Don't know the type of music you listen to and / or have access to, but two perfect examples are Snoop Dogg on NWA's Chin Check and on Marilyn Manson's Man That You Fear from his Anarchist Superstar album. It's near the end of the song. There's a kid saying something about religion being destroyed.
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  • scottnbnj
    scottnbnj Posts: 709
    edited October 2005
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    heiney9 wrote:
    Scott great explaination. I would just one more bit of impt. info. You are correct about the sounds from the left not reaching your right ear and so on. But technically it should be stated that those sounds reach the opposite ear and different times...

    doh!, you're right. i was careless.

    i attempted to get at the difference between crosstalk elimination (through treatments) and cancelation (through sda).

    where, in theory elimination of crosstalk with normal speaks is simple. sound from left speak does not reach right ear and sound from right speak does not reach left ear. it's really not difficult or technically complex to do and get excellent results with. it just looks and feels cumbersome and silly.

    and that, it just gets complicated when you try to achieve the same perceived ends through electronics. where sda does something more like erase info from left speak that does reach right ear and vise verse.

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  • scottnbnj
    scottnbnj Posts: 709
    edited October 2005
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    tugboat wrote:
    Seriously, I'd love to know what causes the 360 effect. I have many friends with bands and would love to ask them to add that in the recording.

    recordings can be mixed with crosstalk cancelation too. these use qsound:

    http://www.qsound.com/2002/spotlight/main2a.asp

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  • Phil Dawson
    Phil Dawson Posts: 288
    edited October 2005
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    Back to the 360 degree issue for a moment. This will be an attempt to simplify what the recording engineer has to work with. The recording engineer can do several things to present the stereo imaging and the sound stage. We will assume that each instrument has its own track. Panning (just like the balance control on a reciever or pre-amp) is used to place the individual instruments across the left to right stereo image. Instruments can be placed in any of about 5 distincly different positions in a normal stereo mix. Instruments can also be moved from the front to the back or anywhere in between. Thsi is usually done by increasing or decreasing the gain on each track. The louder the track, the more to the front the track is. As a side note you can make an instrument seem to be on roller skates if you bring it up too much for solos and then cut it back too much after the solo is over. If you want a mono mess of a recording you pan all enstruments to the center and have each at the same relative gain. If you want to get that 360 type of feel you can obtain it by panning some of the instruments hard left and hard right and then bringing them up in the mix. You have to be careful with the phantom center though. You can also add some delay or reverb that can add an open feel to the sound if it is done well. This whole problem is taken care of very nicely in 5.1 MUSIC. The center channel solves the phantom center problems and the rears solve the 360 degree issues. As a side note to the MP3 Cd debate on this thread, the high resolution of both SACD and DVD-Audio is far superior to that of CD - in fact it sounds almost as good as analog.
    I hope this helps, Phil

    PS the SDA efect in surround can be really cool

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