REVIEW: REL HT 3D Setup...my take on the "Small vs Large" speaker setting. Also a few pics.

pearsall001
pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
edited May 6 in 2 Channel Audio
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Where to begin? For years I always took for granted that for HT the consensus was to always set all speakers to "Small" & set XO to 80hz (give or take a little here) & that was pretty much it. EZ Peezy setup, set it & forget it.

Now REL on the other hand have been on the other side of the fence for a good 25yrs or so recommending to set speakers to "Large" w/ a sub for every speaker to get as close as possible to 20Hz-20kHz for maximum output. This mimics the Dolby Digital standard as set by Ray Dolby in theaters. The issue with this is that it's not all that practical for a typical home HT room.

REL can pull this off by the way they design their subs to handle HT & 2 channel simultaneously. Their subs have totally separate settings for the high-level & LFE, both settings have separate XO & gain adjustments for seamless integration. REL recommends a minimum of 3 subs to cover the LCR front end. Of course the more subs the better.

So I had to give it a shot using my 4 REL subs: 2-S812's for L/R mains using both high level & LFE, 1-T/5X using high level only for center speaker, 1-HT 1205 MKII using LFE only (behind my easy chair).

It certainly is more complicated getting everything dialed in for both 2 channel & HT because you can switch back & forth in the blink of an eye. For music REL likes using "Cosmo...Old Friend" on the
Sneakers Movie Soundtrack. To dial in the LFE there's quite a few, Edge of Tomorrow-Beach Assault, John Wick-Club Scene just to name a few.

So here's my setup:
L-Front JBL HDI 1600 - S812 (high level from 2 channel amp & LFE from AVR)
R-Front JBL HDI 1600 - S812 (high level from 2 channel amp & LFE from AVR)
Center-JBL HDI 4500 - T/5X (high level only directly from the speaker not the AVR)
HT 1205 MHII LFE only directly from AVR

So...How does it sound? Well in a nut shell I'm not going back to the "Small" setting & 80Hz XO. Having the 3 REL's up front & the single HT 1205 MKII mid room has really elevated the entire listening experience watching movies & TV. Very immersive sound field that places you right in the middle of the action, the entire soundstage just grew in all directions it was very impressive. The biggest surprise was the T/5X & how it really made the center speaker spring to life...it was so much more dynamic, added more body & weight to male & female voices. The center w/ the sub really anchors the entire front end. I feel there was so much I was missing with the center set to small. What a difference set to large & adding the sub. So needless to say I am extremely impressed with the new HT experience. On a side note the surrounds & rear surrounds are all set to small, 80Hz XO until I pickup a few more REL's!! LOL!

And it goes without saying that my 2 channel listening experience has been seriously elevated with the addition of the second S812...WOW!! Anyone running dual stereo subs knowns exactly what I'm talking about.

Comments

  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,472
    That is a very nice room!
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,607
    Awesome!

    This is what made definitive tech so insane for ht

    Subwoofers at every channel plus lfe subwoofers

    Insane experience, glad you like it!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That is a very nice room!

    Thanks, but if I want to add more REL's I'll need a bigger room! Lol!
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    VR3 wrote: »
    Awesome!

    This is what made definitive tech so insane for ht

    Subwoofers at every channel plus lfe subwoofers

    Insane experience, glad you like it!

    The dynamics are off the charts! It would be insane if every speaker had its own sub.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,472
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That is a very nice room!

    Thanks, but if I want to add more REL's I'll need a bigger room! Lol!

    Whatever dude you got room for 2 more on top of those you now have.....

    😛😛
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That is a very nice room!

    Thanks, but if I want to add more REL's I'll need a bigger room! Lol!

    Whatever dude you got room for 2 more on top of those you now have.....

    😛😛

    Yes indeed, I could probably fit a stacked 6 pack of REL's. Don't know if the wifey would go for that though! She doesn't need anymore shoes, pocketbooks or jewelry so a bribe is off the table. 😔
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,096
    A long time ago, purely out of interest I changed my HT speakers from small to large. I'll never go back.

    Glad you're enjoying the rig, Phil.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    F1nut wrote: »
    A long time ago, purely out of interest I changed my HT speakers from small to large. I'll never go back.

    Glad you're enjoying the rig, Phil.

    Hey Jesse, how have you been.
    It sure did make quite a difference. Being retired now my preferences have changed a bit to about a 60/40 split HT/2 channel. Enjoying both venues. It's amazing the soundtracks on TV/ streaming now. Why not enjoy both in one system.
  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 18,256
    F1nut wrote: »
    A long time ago, purely out of interest I changed my HT speakers from small to large. I'll never go back.

    Glad you're enjoying the rig, Phil.

    Same..
  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,065
    Hey Phil, nice room and great setup! I'm still thoroughly enjoying my LRSs btw. Not to thread jack or anything, but when I set my front speakers in my HT to the large setting my sub stops playing altogether. What am I missing here?
    2ch rig: Speakers: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands Preamplifier: Parasound P5 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 27,472
    HzTweaker wrote: »
    Hey Phil, nice room and great setup! I'm still thoroughly enjoying my LRSs btw. Not to thread jack or anything, but when I set my front speakers in my HT to the large setting my sub stops playing altogether. What am I missing here?

    The setting in the AVR or preamp that sends the signal to ALL speakers.
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    HzTweaker wrote: »
    Hey Phil, nice room and great setup! I'm still thoroughly enjoying my LRSs btw. Not to thread jack or anything, but when I set my front speakers in my HT to the large setting my sub stops playing altogether. What am I missing here?

    Hey Matt,

    I'm glad you're still enjoying the Maggie LRS... they are awesome speakers!

    You have to change the setting in your AVR to one of these settings (depending on how your AVR names it) LFE + Mains, Double Bass, Extra Bass to have the full range signal sent to the speakers you have set to Large. This should send full range signal to all speakers you have set to Large & the LFE will be sent to the sub.
    The LFE signal only gets sent to the sub it does not get sent to any other speakers.
    Not all AVR's require you to do this. My Yammie is one of them. Hope this helps.
  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,065
    Thanks for the info Phil! I'll give it a try this weekend.
    2ch rig: Speakers: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands Preamplifier: Parasound P5 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,065
    Okay I figured it out and recalibrated all the speakers. It's interesting to only have a the Sub play/noticeable when I'm watching action packed movies/shows. It's also nice that the sub isn't boom boom booming during youtube adds anymore so bonus there!

    @pearsall001 are you still tweaking this setup between HT and 2ch or is it fully dialed in?
    2ch rig: Speakers: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands Preamplifier: Parasound P5 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

    Standby: LSi9s with VR3's Fortress mods
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    Glad to hear you got things all squared away. It's really makes a difference when you get things dialed in.

    I'm quite happy with the results with the HT 3D setup. It took me awhile but the results speak for themselves. The most surprising was how well the center speaker now performs with the addition of the T/5x. I think there is so much information lost with the small setting & a 60/80 Hz XO. The sub adds so much more weight, dynamics & presence to the entire front soundstage.

    Needless to say with the additional S812 in the mix the 2 channel experience has exceeded my expectations to say the least. It's amazing what stereo subs add to 2 channel listening!! Those that know know!!
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 29,607
    Now wait a second, bass is omnidirectional.... You only need one!
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    VR3 wrote: »
    Now wait a second, bass is omnidirectional.... You only need one!

    Bologna!! Heck I have 2 in my bathroom. Lol!!
  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,065
    I'm defiantly leaning towards stereo subs for the 2ch system for the next upgrade for sure!

    I'm glad to hear you have it all dialed in Phil!
    2ch rig: Speakers: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands Preamplifier: Parasound P5 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    HzTweaker wrote: »
    I'm defiantly leaning towards stereo subs for the 2ch system for the next upgrade for sure!

    I'm glad to hear you have it all dialed in Phil!

    Do it!! You'll be amazed with your new listening experience to say the least.
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,729
    edited May 14
    HzTweaker wrote: »
    I'm defiantly leaning towards stereo subs for the 2ch system for the next upgrade for sure!

    I like the stance you’re taking. Screw those stereo purists with only a left and right!

    Definitely a strong stance I approve of 🤣
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,096
    Smells like AI
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,358
    Yeah my Spidey sences kicked in on that one too. But I must say they/it nailed it though!