Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum 3 Dark

After discussing what to do with some of our nest egg money the family CFO advised me that if there is something I've wanted then just get it, truly music to my ears.

So I have lusted after the Cronus Magnum integrated amps for some time and I see the latest upgrade from Rogue is the Dark model. Been reading some reviews and while most have been absolutely glowing there have been a couple emphasizing it's not for
everyone. But then what is?

Would this amp be a good match for the Legend 600 speakers? Is there a better matched tube amp in this price range (or less) for the Legends?
Yep, my name really is Bob.
Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub.

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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,623
    I'd also take a look at the PrimaLuna models. They appear to be a bit more flexible with inputs, tube choices, and ease of use. I wouldn't let the built in phono preamp in any integrated amp be a deciding factor.

    https://www.musicdirect.com/specials/open-box-sale/primaluna-evo-200-tube-integrated-amplifier-with-mm-phonostage-black-open-box/
  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,329
    edited December 6
    If the CFO says so, Do it Bob.
  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 2,372
    edited December 6
    I have a CM III (non-Dark) that I think is a perfect match for my RTA 15TLs. I would have sent it off for the Dark upgrade by now, but just haven’t wanted to deal with the downtime. That is one of the main things that Rogue has going for it … most of their products seem to have a lifetime upgrade path. You can upgrade an original Cronus (pre-Magnum) all the way to the current Dark model.

    When I was researching them 3 years ago, I really couldn’t find any negative reviews and after 3 years, I don’t have any complaints, either.

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Teac VRDS-701T CD transport | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,200
    edited December 6
    Emlyn wrote: »
    I'd also take a look at the PrimaLuna models. They appear to be a bit more flexible with inputs, tube choices, and ease of use. I wouldn't let the built in phono preamp in any integrated amp be a deciding factor.

    https://www.musicdirect.com/specials/open-box-sale/primaluna-evo-200-tube-integrated-amplifier-with-mm-phonostage-black-open-box/

    That particular amp is a 230 volt version.
    SDA SRS 2.3TL's
    Silk Audio MS-90-BT integrated tube amp
    Yaqin MS-20L integrated tube amp
    SDA 2B TL's
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,623
    Looks like MusicDirect is just using stock photos of the Euro versions of PrimaLuna gear. They're the same photos as on the PrimaLuna US website. I'd recommend confirming voltage if buying.
  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,232
    The EVO 100 integrated has something called Adaptive Autobias....never heard of such a thing, but do tubes need to be biased so often that it's a feature needed? The Cronus biasing seems very straight forward.
    Yep, my name really is Bob.
    Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub.
  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 2,372
    Could not be any easier on the Cronus. I check mine with the changes in season. It is not usually off by much at all.

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    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Teac VRDS-701T CD transport | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 2,372
    I should say, the Cronus is heavy AF and I have mine on an open, dedicated stand, so that makes it much easier, too.

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Teac VRDS-701T CD transport | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,232
    Yea, I read around 50 lbs! I asked AI what brand caps are used in the Cronus 3 and apparently the 3s are not consistent...all are high quality but not the same brand from one run to the next.
    Yep, my name really is Bob.
    Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,932
    Call and ask Rogue, they are very receptive to it. The owner will talk your ear off. IIRC they like Mundorf caps.
  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 2,372
    You could reach out to Nick Fitzsimmons there and see what he says about that or other questions you have: info@rogueaudio.com

    I badgered him a few times before I bought mine and he was always helpful.

    Brian

    One-owner Polk Audio RTA 15TL speakers refreshed w/ Sonicap, Vishay/Mills and Cardas components by "pitdogg2," "xschop" billet tweeter plates and BH5 | Stereo REL Acoustics T/5x subwoofers w/ Bassline Blue cables | Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III integrated tube amp | Technics SL-1210G turntable w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 MM cart | Teac VRDS-701T CD transport | LampizatOr Baltic 4 tube DAC | Nordost & DH Labs cables/interconnects | APC H15 Power Conditioner | GIK Acoustics room treatments | Degritter RCM
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 13,087
    edited December 10
    Cayin Jazz 90 also worth a look if you are eyeing a KT88 amp. Been unable to unhook mine since I received it, and I have 8 other tube amps here. It's really nice. Highly recommended.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,405
    muncybob wrote: »
    The EVO 100 integrated has something called Adaptive Autobias....never heard of such a thing, but do tubes need to be biased so often that it's a feature needed? The Cronus biasing seems very straight forward.

    Some tube amps are autobias, some are manual. IIRC, autobias have a little less power output compared to the same w/manual bias.

    The bias is for the power tubes. To answer your question.

    1) depends on the quality of the power tubes. Poor quality tubes may drift more often than good tubes.

    2) if you roll tubes or replace tubes, you should always check/set the bias.

    3) In general no, biasing doesn't need to be done often unless the above 2 scenario's are in play.

    Tubes have a "sweet spot" just like transistors. Bias keeps the grid current (DC) in the sweet spot. Too cold and the tubes can sound off, too hot the same and way too hot can ruin the tube.

    It sounds more complicated than it is. It's mostly a set and forget (although) checking every once in a while is good practice, especially if you've invested all that money in power tubes.

    autobias does the biasing automatically, but it will be to the manufacturer's settings.

    This is a general overview of the terms.

    I have both types. I don't have a preference.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,443
    Primaluna doesn't use the normal resistor cathode bias, they use active devices.