Question on new TV hookup to older receiver
dromunds
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A friend of mine asked me a question I’m going to throw out to the wisdom of the group. They have a Denon 5802 receiver I think it is, pre-HDMI. They were running audio from their TV to the Denon. Now they purchased a Samsung Q7F TV, which apparently only has HDMI and USB. How can they utilize their Denon 5802 for audio from the TV? Thanks for your assistance? (They have Polk LSi-15 speakers which sound excellent in their living room, so I felt it appropriate to help them once again be able to enjoy that Polk sound.
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Something like this should do the trick.
https://www.amazon.com/YYMC-HDMI-to-Component-Converter/dp/B0F9W7HCHVPolitical Correctness'.........defined
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Thank you !
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Unfortunately, that device would only get them stereo audio.
This would provide pass through HDMI and pull a toslink, which would "in theory" get them 5.1 DD/DTS using the ARC feature of the TV.
https://www.amazon.com/avedio-links-Extractor-Splitter-Converter/dp/B07H94D77V
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Unfortunately, that device would only get them stereo audio.
This would provide pass through HDMI and pull a toslink, which would "in theory" get them 5.1 DD/DTS using the ARC feature of the TV.
https://www.amazon.com/avedio-links-Extractor-Splitter-Converter/dp/B07H94D77V
I should have known that Amazon would have that, I was briefly looking on Parts Express yesterday. I had to use that on my Denon 3805 for a time. Most TV's do have SPDIF so that should in theory go from TV to the 5802. It would be strange for a TV not to have SPDIF IF it supports OTA channels.
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I thought that PE had such gizmos as well. You know, similar quality to Amazon "rainforest grade" generics, but with a higher price!
I haven't looked lately, though -- and PE's array of modern A/V products changes rapidly and rather capriciously.
Mind you, I (still) like PE, but they're not what they used to be -- a consequence, I fear, more of the marketplace (i.e., what's available to them to sell) more than any direct fault of PE.
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Not at all, 100% agree. Buyouts and turnovers things leave quickly.Mind you, I (still) like PE, but they're not what they used to be -- -
Unfortunately, that device would only get them stereo audio.
This would provide pass through HDMI and pull a toslink, which would "in theory" get them 5.1 DD/DTS using the ARC feature of the TV.
https://www.amazon.com/avedio-links-Extractor-Splitter-Converter/dp/B07H94D77V
I should have known that Amazon would have that, I was briefly looking on Parts Express yesterday. I had to use that on my Denon 3805 for a time. Most TV's do have SPDIF so that should in theory go from TV to the 5802. It would be strange for a TV not to have SPDIF IF it supports OTA channels.
The manufacturers are cheaping out and year after year, the optical out is getting phased out. I'd guess that 90+% of the new buyers either use the built in TV speakers or a Soundbar that takes HDMI ARC. Either works fine with OTA channels, or from the built in Tyzen/Google TV apps.
I still like to have optical out for backup reliability. I've had many times where the ARC quits working for a period of time some odd reason.
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Thanks for all the thoughtful comments, fellas.
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Follow-up question: my friend purchased a hdmi-to-component converter similar to the one Jesse suggested above. They connected a hdmi cable from the back of the Samsung Q7F television to the converter, and then RCA left and right from the converter to the Denon 3802 receiver. They were told at Best Buy to plug the hdmi cable into the e-ARC connection in the back of the TV and it would automatically send the audio to the converter/receiver, without having to change the sound settings on the TV. Also, the TV does not seem to allow them to select other than TV Speakers when in
Sound Settings. In any event, they cannot get the TV audio to come out of the receiver. I understand they plugged the RCA cables into the LR plugs on the TV input, and when it had no sound they also tried the CD LR inputs, but no sound out of either. Anybody have any suggestions as to what they could be doing wrong? Thanks in advance for any help. -
As an addendum to my last post, they think the receiver digital input is assigned to optical, which is what they were using with prior tv which had optical port. They can’t figure out how to reassign input, if indeed that is the case. They also can’t use the “on-screen” feature and wonder if anyone would know how to reassign input on a Denon 3802 with just the remote or the controls on the front of receiver. Thanks agsin
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Plug it into the old tv, make your changes
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I wonder if they should just get a HDMI to Optical converter, assuming those are available. Then they could just plug the HDMI into the TV e-ARC plug and then plug the optical cable they had in the receiver into the converter, so it would convert the e-arc hdmi from tv into optical to run to receiver........?
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You might suggest that your friend look into the possiility of purchasing a new AVR (of course budget comes into play here). Just a suggestion."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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Yes, budget is the issue although I’m going to keep my eyes open for a “newer” AVR or integrated amp that at least has hdmi.
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You really should have your friends return the HDMI to component converter and get the one that is ARC compatible and has Optical out. That would work best and still give them 5.1 whereas the component version is only going to give stereo output. It is also very likely that the one they bought does not recognize the ARC audio channel.
I will link again: https://www.amazon.com/avedio-links-Extractor-Splitter-Converter/dp/B07H94D77V
Also note that the adapter only supports PCM/LPCM multichannel. That may complicate things. The TVs like to covert everything to output Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital+. You can make a setting to output PCM, but I've never seen one offer multichannel PCM (LPCM), so maybe that still won't give 5.1 from most TV viewing.
Perhaps it is time for them to move to a newer receiver? -
As an addendum to my last post, they think the receiver digital input is assigned to optical, which is what they were using with prior tv which had optical port. They can’t figure out how to reassign input, if indeed that is the case. They also can’t use the “on-screen” feature and wonder if anyone would know how to reassign input on a Denon 3802 with just the remote or the controls on the front of receiver. Thanks agsin
It is very likely that the on-screen display for receiver programming/setup is only over S-video. I had a 2802, a 4802, and a 3802 at one time or another, and I recall having to use S-video. If their current TV doesn't have S-video input, they are out of luck. That generation didn't have any capability to program from the front panel. I recall the only thing you could do from the front panel was change channel levels (ie: +/- dB for left, right, center, etc.) -
You are correct about the S-video cable. They went ahead and ordered the converter you suggested to convert HDMI to optical. Thanks for the input.
