Carver Sonic Holography--The Second Coming

Schurkey
Schurkey Posts: 2,122
edited April 2023 in Vintage Speakers
It's BAAAaaack!

https://www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/equipment-menu/913-theoretica-applied-physics-bacch-sp-adio-3d-sound-processor


At least this time it's really expensive, (and digital) so it's bound to get good reviews.
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  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 371
    Oddly enough, you can get 3D imaging with good speakers.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,903
    edited April 2023
    BACCH has been around for quite a while. Kinda like controlled nuclear fusion. ;)
    Indeed, it's even been discussed here before (thread started in 2015).
    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/166975/bacch-3d-sound

    "Bringing you yesterday's technology tomorrow." ;)


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  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 371
    My Carver CT-23 preamp has the Sonic button. I tried it in the 90s and wasn’t impressed. Haven’t used it since.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,903
    ... and, don't forget, cats & kittens, at the other end of the spectrum, there's Schiit.

    https://www.schiit.com/products/syn

    It's basically David Hafler's "Dynaquad" ambience recovery scheme in an expensive package (albeit with some other... umm... Schiit thrown in on top, like jimmies on the sundae).

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    odcics2 wrote: »
    My Carver CT-23 preamp has the Sonic button. I tried it in the 90s and wasn’t impressed. Haven’t used it since.

    My C16 also has Sonic Holography, I was not impressed either. No matter how I had my speakers set up all it seem to do was recess the vocals back deeper into the music.
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  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 371
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    odcics2 wrote: »
    My Carver CT-23 preamp has the Sonic button. I tried it in the 90s and wasn’t impressed. Haven’t used it since.

    My C16 also has Sonic Holography, I was not impressed either. No matter how I had my speakers set up all it seem to do was recess the vocals back deeper into the music.

    I had my speakers set up exactly like it recommend in the owners manual.

    Fail.

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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,122
    edited April 2023
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    It's basically David Hafler's "Dynaquad" ambience recovery scheme in an expensive package (albeit with some other... umm... Schiit thrown in on top, like jimmies on the sundae).
    Dynaquad requires at least three speakers, the diagram shows four. Another iteration has a front-center channel in addition to the rear speaker(s). It's a poor-man's "surround sound". The basic premise is Left channel, Right channel, (to provide "normal" stereo) then add L + R for the front center, and L - R and/or R - L for the rear "ambience" speaker(s). Add in a volume control or two, or three, and some switching. Some folks like it, some don't. I find it very listenable, dirt-cheap and completely unsophisticated compared to the various and increasingly-silly/complex Dolby and DTS multichannel schemes. But then, I'd rather listen to ONE "quality" speaker (two, preferably) than eleven or fourteen or thirty-nine-point-six bottom-feeder speakers including a multitude of "sub" woofers which in reality aren't even proper woofers let alone "sub-woofers", scattered semi-randomly and invisibly around the room.

    Crosstalk-cancellation is a whole 'nother thing, unrelated to "surround sound" although somewhat compatible with surround-sound. The Bacch gadget...and Carver's...and Polk's SDA, uses two speaker cabinets. I guess a person could argue that the SDA drivers kinda-sorta represent a speaker-within-a-speaker ("four" cabinets); but I don't think most folks would.
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,439
    My friend has carver sonic holography, he's tried it every which way, and said it worked best believe it or not with the speakers right next to each other.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    invalid wrote: »
    My friend has carver sonic holography, he's tried it every which way, and said it worked best believe it or not with the speakers right next to each other.

    Well I can say I definitely didn't try that!
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,439
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    My friend has carver sonic holography, he's tried it every which way, and said it worked best believe it or not with the speakers right next to each other.

    Well I can say I definitely didn't try that!

    I thought it kinda strange, but he claims it works, although I didn't ask him what speakers he was using he has many to choose from.
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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 168
    Like this but way more expensive?acq09t11fi65.jpeg
    L600 (front), R200 (rear), R200 (rear surround), L400 (center), Sunfire HRS-10 (2)Marantz AV7706Sunfire Cinema Grand, Marantz M8077, Music Hall Stealth, Ortofon bronze cartridge, Parasound Zphono XRM, Sony UBP-X800
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  • odcics2
    odcics2 Posts: 371
    A trip to your local weed store might provide the holographic images one seeks!

    B)
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    odcics2 wrote: »
    A trip to your local weed store might provide the holographic images one seeks!

    B)
    This will help! The good Chocolate!!

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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,861
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
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    Well I'd have to agree with that label. I've never heard of a depressed mushroom user! :D Maybe fascination that the carpet is crawling but never depressed about it!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
    Just to let you know I heard this today at Axpona. This is nothing like Sonic Holography. What this did was truly amazing. I heard birds and flies flying around my head that it actually made you think they were in the room with you, 100% realistic. When the music came on once again super realistic. Uncanny how realistic it made the instruments sound. Only problem it was just a tiny area this worked in, BUT that area was insanely super realistic!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,915
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,872
    Any word on when this will be added to an AVR? >:)>:)o:)
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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