Dualdisc-Kind of blue?

mhw58 · February 2005

I was at Costco yesterday and they are selling several 'dualdiscs' for $12.99. I haven't read any reviews of these but
they sound interesting. I'm especially interested in the dualdisc
version of Miles Davis Kind of Blue. If anyone has it, how is
the 5:1 mix? Do they isolate Miles in one channel, Coltrane
in another channel etc? I'd appreciate any opinions on the surround mixes of the various dualdisc dvd's.
Thanks, Mike

AsSiMiLaTeD · February 2005

I assume you're talking about the DVD-A release?

I don't know about that formatted version, but...

I have the SACD version of that Miles album and it's great. Personally I don't listen to music in multi-channel muich, but I can tell you that the musicians are not separated on the different channels like you mentioned. I can't really describe how bad that would sound, but it would be really awful, trust me.

I can hear it now, Miles coming from the center, JC from the left, piano from the right, drums from the rear right WHAT??, bass from the rear left WHAT??

Having said that, the surround mix is fine and sounds good, whether you like it or not is a different question though...

Danny Tse · February 2005

Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is on Sony Music, and Sony Music will not issue anything on DVD-A.

For info on DualDisc, you can do a search here. You will see that it may be a "stillborn" format.

mhw58 · February 2005

Originally posted by Danny Tse
Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is on Sony Music, and Sony Music will not issue anything on DVD-A.

For info on DualDisc, you can do a search here. You will see that it may be a "stillborn" format.

Here's a link to amazon which is also selling this dualdisc:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00067189O/qid=1109628808/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/104-9507080-7224700?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

Interesting that one of the reviewers says he likes this mix better than the SACD.
Mike

Whadyasay · February 2005

I too have the SACD and love it. One of the reasons I love it so much is that the 5.1 mix doesn't sound like a surround mix, but rather a wider and deeper stereo mix...which is how I prefer to listen to most music, especially jazz. The DualDisc seems like it has some nice features, which mught be worth the price alone.

But plain and simple, the album sounds best on Vinyl through a great system. What's funny is that starting years back with the specal gold edition CD, they finally recorded the release at the right speed. It was always a bit sped up by almost a half note (I used to notice this inmy college days while playing in a jazz course).

If you like the KOB SACD, you'll love Coltrane's Blue Train SACD. Stereo only, but clean and rich. An essential recording.

mhw58 · February 2005

Originally posted by Danny Tse
Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is on Sony Music, and Sony Music will not issue anything on DVD-A.

For info on DualDisc, you can do a search here. You will see that it may be a "stillborn" format.

Sony is releasing dualdiscs. Here is some info from the dualdisc
website at [url]www.dualdisc.com:[/url]

All of the major recording companies including SONY BMG, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, and EMI, as well as independent companies such as 5.1 Entertainment/Silverline Records, are developing DualDiscs. Among the DualDisc titles slated for release in February and March of 2005 are:

AC/DC, "Back in Black"
Academy of St. Jane, "Johann Sebastian Bach: The Brandenburg Concertos"
Astrud Gilberto, "Now"
Avril Lavigne, "Under My Skin"
Baltimore Symphony/Orchestra, "Saint Saen's Organ Symphony/Franck's Symphony in D Minor"
Baltimore Orchestra/Houston Symphony Orchestra, "Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 4"
David Bowie, "Reality"
Destiny's Child, "Destiny Fulfilled"
Dishwalla, "Opaline"
DJ Haul and Mason, "Half Baked Goods"
Donovan, "Fairy Tale"
Five for Fighting, "The Battle for Everything"
Good Charlotte, The Young and the Hopeless"
Humble Pie, "Live at the Whisky A Go-Go 69"
Incubus, "A Crow Left of the Murder"
Jennifer Lopez, "Rebirth"
John Mayer, "Heavier Things"
Joshua Bell, "Romance Of The Violin"
Judas Priest, "Angel of Retribution"
Lee Ann Womack, "Greatest Hits"
Los Lonely Boys, "Los Lonely Boys"
Mercy Me, "Almost There"
Miles Davis, "Kind of Blue"
Motorhead, "Overkill"
Omarion, "O"
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac, "Live at the BBC"
Philharmonic Promenade Orchestra of London/Boult, "Ludwig van Beethoven: Symphony No.5 and Leonore Overture"
REO Speedwagon, "Live: Plus"
Sammy Hagar, "Hallelujah"
Slaughter, "Then and Now"
Stray Cats, "Rockabilly Rules"
Switchfoot, "The Beautiful Letdown"
Tesla, "Standing Room Only"
The Church, "Forget Yourself"
The 5 Browns, "Introducing The 5 Browns"
The Pentangle, "Basket of Light"
The Pogues, "Streams of Whiskey"
The Searchers, "The Very Best of the Searchers"
Toby Keith, "Shock'n Y'all"
Todd Rundgren, "Liars"
Train, "My Private Nation"
Usher, "8701"
Utah Symphony Orchestra/Abravanel, "Leroy AndersonFiddle Faddle"
Utah Symphony Orchestra/Abravanel, "Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake"
Utah Symphony Orchestra/Abravanel conducting, "Mahler - Symphony No. 6"
Utah Symphony Orchestra/Abravanel conducting, "Brahms - Symphony No. 1"
Utah Symphony Orchestra/Abravanel conducting, "Rachmaninov - Symphony No. 3"
Utah Symphony Orchestra, "Jean Sibelius: Symph 1& 4"
Utopia, "KSAN 95 FM Live 79"
Various Artists, "The British Are Coming"
Various Artists Reggae Tribute to Bob Dylan, "Is It Rolling Bob?"
Velvet Revolver, "Contraband"
Vienna State Opera Orchestra Peter and the Wolf by Boris Karloff, "Serge Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf and Lt. Kije Symphonic Suite"
Wishbone Ash, "Bare Bones"
Yo-Yo Ma, "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone"
More than 50 titles were part of the initial rollout of DualDisc in November, 2004 including:

Simple Plan's newest album "Still Not Getting Any..." featuring 20 minutes of exclusive behind the scenes "making of the album" footage
Nine Inch Nails' "The Downward Spiral" featuring exclusive photos and videos in surround sound and a complete discography
Blondie's "The Curse of Blondie" featuring stunning 5.1 surround sound and music video of club hit "Good Boys."
"This past holiday season proved to be an excellent time to introduce music fans to this new, exciting music product," said Jim Urie, President, Universal Music and Video Distribution. "DualDisc provides the budget conscious consumer with the best value in music entertainment without compromising quality."

DualDisc has already received an impressive response from consumers in test markets conducted in 2004. Music consumers who purchased a DualDisc said it met or exceeded their expectations. In addition, 90 percent of consumers who experienced DualDisc said they would recommend DualDisc to a friend and 82 percent said they are satisfied or extremely satisfied with DualDisc.

Whadyasay · February 2005

DualDisc is a bit easier to say than SACD or DVD-A. Point: DualDisc.

I'll probably give the Stray Cats disc a spin. They don't say on the site whether the 'DVD' side is LPCM or 96/24 or what have you...I assume it's the same as playing a DVD video, in that it plays through the digital out.

Danny Tse · February 2005

On the other hand, a number of hardware manufacturers, including Sony, have issued advisories about playing DualDisc in their machines. See below link....

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12610938

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=14918904

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=18163666

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=16567299

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=15273177

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=10201663

Danny Tse · February 2005

Here's a thread at stevehoffman.tv on the "KoB" DualDisc....

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=48979

danger boy · February 2005

Dualdisc DVD-audio plays thru your analog outputs. 6 of em. not stereo outputs.

Dualdisc-Kind of blue?

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