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  • shawn474shawn474 Posts: 3,132
    edited March 24
    Have you guys heard of a “hypothesis”? It’s pretty much the basis for every imaginable scientific study. It is defined as “a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.” Those hypotheses are either supported by literature and research or not. ONLY TIME will tell.

    In other words, a “best guess” by experts. Not by some internet audio forum pundits and quotes from politically biased (one way or the other) online “periodicals”.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,311
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Good lawd, this thread needs a little bit of laughter or something else...

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    So why did the chicken cross the road?

    SARAH PALIN: The chicken crossed the road because, gosh-darn it, he's a maverick!

    BARACK OBAMA: Let me be perfectly clear, if the chickens like their eggs they can keep their eggs. No chicken will be required to cross the road to surrender her eggs. Period.

    JOHN McCAIN: My friends, the chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.

    HILLARY CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road?

    GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here.

    DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?

    BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken.

    AL GORE: I invented the chicken.... and the road.

    JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.

    AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white?

    DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he is acting by not taking on his current problems before adding any new problems.

    OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross the road so badly. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to give this chicken a NEW CAR so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.

    ANDERSON COOPER: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.

    NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.

    PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.

    MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way the chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.

    DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.

    ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.

    GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.

    DONALD TRUMP: We should build a wall so the chicken can't cross the road.

    BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heartwarming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road.

    ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

    BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken2014, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents and balance your checkbook. Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken2014. This new platform is much more stable and will never reboot.

    ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?

    COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?

    Tom

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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,305
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.
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  • JstasJstas Posts: 14,223
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    28% positive of what? People tested? The entire population? What?
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  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 5,113
    NYC is the epicenter because it has a lot of people crammed together and
    a lot of people passing through. Not a surprise.
    hard to keep a 1 foot of space, much less 6 feet.
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  • huggieshuggies Posts: 143
    Jstas wrote: »
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    28% positive of what? People tested? The entire population? What?

    Percentage of those tested, tested positive for CV-19
  • msgmsg Posts: 5,935
    edited March 24
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Wrecking this economy will kill far more people than this virus; and it will affect generations to come. The President is doing the right thing. Everyone knows what to do to protect themselves--treat it like any seasonal virus, and lets open this country back up and walk & chew gum at the same time. We CANNOT go into panic mode every time something like this happens. Use priorities and risk/reward logical/critical thinking skills. If you discover mold in your house, do you burn the house down? Come on, lets let common sense rule the day.
    I agree with this idea generally. Both can be true, though. The broadsword is a panic response. Warranted for the information we had at the time, and better than nothing, but cannot remain indefinitely. To do so will hurt people in other comparably damaging ways. Hunger, job loss, financial disaster, homelessness, inability to acquire medical care and medication... Then again, lifting restrictions too soon isn't the right answer, either. There needs to be a plan.

    Seems like South Korea had the best response. Widespread testing, contact tracing and lots of community support for the methods. I think their idea was not to shut everything down but to address and quarantine the infected.

    It's kind of silly only testing people with symptoms, especially since we're still learning what the symptoms are. Some infected show minimal reaction to the virus, carrying and spreading without knowing.

    Also good to see coming to light is the percentage of younger people affected. This does not just attack "the old". Sure the elderly have a harder time fighting it, but younger people are dying too. Hopefully that information and the media campaigns of "It's not about you" will have the younger generations - and everyone - paying closer attention and behaving more responsibly.

    I don't think we've seen the worst of it yet, still too soon to know. I think it's been here longer than we realize, showing up in milder symptoms that people were able to dismiss or get through, but not realizing that they're carrying and spreading it.

    I also believe healthcare is going to see an overwhelming wave of severe, critical cases, and may be understaffed and under-equipped in many locations.

    Don't know what the answer is, but I don't think lulling people in a false sense of safety by saying "okay, the two weeks is over, back to business as usual" is the right answer. We need testing, we need data, we need ways to identify infected and properly quarantine them. And of course we need PPE and medical equipment.

    Maybe it's too late for all that though with the exponential spread. Initial damage done sort of thing. I don't think it's too late though for us all to do our parts to prevent contraction or spreading it further.

    One thing I saw in an interview was this notion of "What if you thought you had Corona, or everyone else around you had Corona?" People would be better about taking social distancing and hygiene more seriously then. The idea was that people would do well to consider it along those lines.

    I thought this was a good article.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-flatten-curve.html
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  • JstasJstas Posts: 14,223
    huggies wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    28% positive of what? People tested? The entire population? What?

    Percentage of those tested, tested positive for CV-19

    If that's the case then that should be pretty obvious to anybody who's been paying attention.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 5,935
    verb wrote: »
    Can't stand gougers. This is good!
    I know, almost as bad as low-ballers on CL.

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  • kevhed72kevhed72 Posts: 4,268
    Amazon will save us all....and than move us to outer space after we destroy this planet. 😉
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,480
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    So, let me see if I get this.

    In order to even have a test, you must be showing symptoms. Of all those with symptoms, that were tested, overall is 10%. So one out of 10, with symptoms are testing positive for Corona. What are the other 9 out of 10 ? The Flu ? Common cold ?

    Does it even say ? I'd be willing to bet, more than 1 out of 10 is testing positive for the flu.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 5,935
    edited March 24
    I don't think the symptoms set has solidified yet, Tony. There's new info coming out on what healthcare pros are seeing in the critically affected. Red eyes is one - redness around the eyelids, as I think it was described by one of the nurses at the Washington Nursing Home.

    Having to show symptoms for a test is unwise.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,305
    edited March 24
    Jstas wrote: »
    huggies wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    28% positive of what? People tested? The entire population? What?

    Percentage of those tested, tested positive for CV-19

    If that's the case then that should be pretty obvious to anybody who's been paying attention.

    LOL. Not obvious that NJ and especially NY have a much greater percentage of those with symptoms that get tested, presenting as positive COVID-19, to the tune of 28% for NJ, 40% for NY vs 10% overall. The reason given was that there were probably many more chinese people that returned after the Chinese New Year, to those areas, prior to the travel ban.

    Perhaps you're just so much smarter than the rest of us.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,305
    edited March 24
    tonyb wrote: »
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    So, let me see if I get this.

    In order to even have a test, you must be showing symptoms. Of all those with symptoms, that were tested, overall is 10%. So one out of 10, with symptoms are testing positive for Corona. What are the other 9 out of 10 ? The Flu ? Common cold ?

    Does it even say ? I'd be willing to bet, more than 1 out of 10 is testing positive for the flu.

    Since they have symptoms of COVID-19, ie. cough, fever, and shortness of breath it could be anything that causes those symptoms besides coronavirus, but probably most are flu and to a lesser degree cold viruses. This was from the Fox News interview of Trump, Pence, and Dr. Deborah Birx and the surgeon general at 12:30 today.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,480
    tonyb wrote: »
    Not good to hear (from Fox interview)..........28% positive in NJ, maybe 40% in NYC, vs. 10% positive overall.

    So, let me see if I get this.

    In order to even have a test, you must be showing symptoms. Of all those with symptoms, that were tested, overall is 10%. So one out of 10, with symptoms are testing positive for Corona. What are the other 9 out of 10 ? The Flu ? Common cold ?

    Does it even say ? I'd be willing to bet, more than 1 out of 10 is testing positive for the flu.

    Since they have symptoms of COVID-19, ie. cough, fever, and shortness of breath it could be anything that causes those symptoms besides coronavirus, but probably most are flu and to a lesser degree cold viruses. This was from the Fox News interview of Trump, Pence, and Dr. Deborah Birx and the surgeon general at 12:30 today.

    I hear ya, did they put it in the context of "those tested" or did they kinda leave it up to the viewer to decide if it was the total population ?
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,480
    edited March 24
    25,665 total cases in New York State
    157 deaths from the coronavirus in the state
    14,904 cases in New York City
    2,849 cases in Westchester County, 2,442 cases in Nassau, 1,458 in Suffolk, 592 in Rockland, 389 in Orange, and 127 in Albany County
    2,844 cases in New Jersey, with 27 deaths
    415 cases in Connecticut, with ten deaths

    These are as of today numbers. You decipher them as you will. Taking NY state as a whole, they are at a less than 1% death rate.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
    This is disgusting. I've read a few stories like this, or of pranksters (idiots) spitting on merchandise in stores, or worse, cops and other people. Glad this guy was arrested!
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,305
    tonyB they definitely said it was of those tested. Sorry I didn't make that clear. There's no way they could know what percentage of the population is positive. That would be PURE IRRESPONSIBLE guesswork.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,694
    For a trivial disease it is interesting that pretty much the entire civilized world is fighting it.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
    edited March 24
    I never knew these existed! Little Free Libraries, whose original purpose was to swap books for free, now supporting others with food and TP! :smile:
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  • shawn474shawn474 Posts: 3,132
    F1nut wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    For a trivial disease it is interesting that pretty much the entire civilized world is fighting it.

    Same thing every year with the common flu, which causes around a million deaths every year. Let's keep things in perspective instead of fear mongering.

    Fear mongering is not what this is about......just wait and see how bad the economy, job market, stock market, real estate market get when people continue to minimize the illness, skew statements, ignore or give inaccurate representation of the facts, and manipulate the research. You all have seen what the response is and the recommendations that have come forth - you can either listen to experts or think you're the expert. I choose the former. Not because I believe everything the media says or I submit to government oversight. But because if we don't we are going to continue to prolong the situation. I would rather take my lumps now and stop the spread than fight the "establishment", continue to spread ridiculous political agendas and have this last for many more months.
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  • kevhed72kevhed72 Posts: 4,268
    tonyB they definitely said it was of those tested. Sorry I didn't make that clear. There's no way they could know what percentage of the population is positive. That would be PURE IRRESPONSIBLE guesswork.
    Exactly the problem of NOT HAVING ENOUGH TESTS....we have no idea as to the numbers. Hospitals have a backlog of UNPROCESSED TESTS because the reagents used in the testing process ate mainly in....China. How sadly ironic.

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    Dave, just a quick note, I like seeing these kindness/community posts you find.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,978
    edited March 24
    shawn474 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    For a trivial disease it is interesting that pretty much the entire civilized world is fighting it.

    Same thing every year with the common flu, which causes around a million deaths every year. Let's keep things in perspective instead of fear mongering.

    Fear mongering is not what this is about....

    Fear mongering is exactly what this is about, but you're too woke to realize it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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