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  • kevhed72kevhed72 Posts: 4,265
    Couple of good points have been made in regards to my post:
    1. China did screw us all by trying to hide the epidemic at first....in typical Communist propaganda manner they tried to hide info.
    2. Yes, we should be more self reliant which is my point....there is one major factory in rhe US, in Texas which makes less than 1% of the world supply of medical masks. That is unacceptable. As far as the tests go....not sure why we insisted on developing our own when the WHO offered a version which was ready. A good source tied in to the medical community informed me there is a 15 % false negative rate with the tests we developed.
    3. I am not willing to go to bed with China on economic issues and agree with the administration's stance on Hauwei. My point was we should chill out on the rhetoric now and be smarter than to poke the bear. Also my intent was not to bring up the unproductive argument of what is racist or politically correct. I just don't think now is the time to "rally the base"
    4. Ventilators and hospital beds are one thing....masks, gloves and effective tests are another. When the leader of the free world calls an outbreak of an unknown disease a "hoax"....you have to wonder how many people believe him. Yesterday while at Walmart picking up a RX...I was appalled how many people were standing wayyyy to close to each other, no masks, no gloves, and minimal help from Walmart with their standard tube of cart wipes that everyone was touching to use.
    5. We may find that states that lock down their citizens on lock down start reporting lower infection rates. Where I live it is left to the discretion on the local government or municipality....which is a questionable strategy IMO based what I have seen in the stores and in public.

    Stay safe everyone....
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,297
    edited March 22
    There's definitely a stink in our nation right now where some who don't want to work for fear of infection HAVE to and some who want to work are told to stay home.

    I'm seeing this scenario in person right here in Wilm. NC. big time. Our local BUSY burger joint was empty the other night at 5:15PM. There's ALWAYS some people in there but not now. My wife just read on their website they have just switched to take-out only. We're going to order something from them tonight.

    I went to Lowe's home improv. to get fire-ant killer Fri. since my wife is freaking out about some mounds appearing in our yard and sidewalk.
    The cashier, an elderly lady, looked exhausted. I asked if she was ok. She said it was nonstop all day for her. She said she was worried about getting the virus since she lived with her elderly parents. It was 5PM when I saw her. :# I said I was glad we only had one possible case of the virus here in Wilm. and she shouldn't worry. She then told me she heard it was Community wide-spread now. WHAT...? I didn't hear that yet.

    I asked if she had sanitizer and she said yes but she had so many people to check out all day she didn't use it between every customer. I told her I stay at home and don't go out very often and I probably don't have it yet, and wished her and her parents well.

    She looked very run down!
    Worrying about bringing this dreaded virus home to her elderly parents is killing HER!
    :'(
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,732
    edited March 22
    Ohio just issued a stay @ home order.

    Rand Paul tests positive.

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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,291
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Hopefully people are keeping a 6ft distance ie. socially distancing themselves, but I think nothing short of gloves and masks is really going to make a dent in this thing.

    I doubt if gloves and masks for non-healthcare workers is going to make any difference.

    And there are lots of people parroting that and you can't really blame them, since some very authoritative sources are putting that notion forth. When there aren't enough to go around for those on the front lines is propoganda justified or should they tell the truth? N95 masks aren't that expensive to produce but they would've had to be stockpiled and distributed in the billions, for a pandemic such as this.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,479
    When you see many of these older people running the cash register at any store, they are most likely doing so because they need the health insurance.

    Now, force them to come in to work during a virus outbreak, without supplying them with masks or gloves, they'll still come because that health insurance is gold to them. Plus they are the ones most at risk to die from this.....and we can't supply them with masks and gloves. Shame on us.

    I know we can't prepare for every frickin thing that can befall our country, but pandemics and viruses are not our first rodeo. We've been down this road many times. Why we don't have warehouses full of supplies is beyond me. Government owns a heck of a lot of empty buildings all over. We find money to hand out freebies left and right, but cringe at stockpiling medical supplies ? One buys votes, the other doesn't. Hopefully now this will change.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,958
    Every year 2000 people in New York City die from the common flu......yet no cries from the media, no cries from the local or national politicians, no cries from Weirdwood, no social distancing and no lock down.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/flu-seasonal.page
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    Food for thought...
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  • shawn474shawn474 Posts: 3,132
    F1nut wrote: »
    Every year 2000 people in New York City die from the common flu......yet no cries from the media, no cries from the local or national politicians, no cries from Weirdwood, no social distancing and no lock down.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/flu-seasonal.page

    Not entirely accurate as they lump pneumonia in with that statistic. “Every year, about 2,000 New Yorkers die of seasonal flu and pneumonia, which CAN develop as a complication of the flu.”

    It remains to be seen how widespread covid-19 will be; if predictions are accurate, we could have exponentially more people infected with coronavirus than those who contract seasonal flu.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,291
    F1Nut - It will be interesting to see what the data will reveal, as the testing gets more and more extensive, as far as how many negatives they get. The latest I heard in the Friday press conference was that 92% are coming back negative, ie. they have some other infection, probably viral. Most of them are probably the flu. Of course that doesn't factor in the fact that COVID-19 is more often fatal, at least in the people whose symptoms are severe enough to warrant testing. FWIW.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,732
    edited March 22
    F1nut wrote: »
    Every year 2000 people in New York City die from the common flu......yet no cries from the media, no cries from the local or national politicians, no cries from Weirdwood, no social distancing and no lock down.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/flu-seasonal.page

    43% of Americans do not get vaccinated for the seasonal flu, for whatever reason or by choice.

    With this new virus you have no choice, no vaccine.

    I bet you don't get flu shots? I would hope you do though.

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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    That reminds me, Dave. I have 2 flags I need to hang off of the front porch. One American and one SC State flag. I can pitch in with that!

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,297
    My flag was refreshed a month ago.
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    Going to the burger joint again in a minute. I'm sure they need business. ;)
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
    That's cool Tony! After I read that story about the 7 year old girl in Ohio, I'm getting mine out again! :smile:
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  • Dennis GardnerDennis Gardner Posts: 4,885
    edited March 22
    Why do we allow masks to have elastic that expires? We don't have enough masks because of the expiration of the elastic ties.

    Simple cloth ties would allow a mask to never go out of date and be stored by the zillions in warehouses for just this usage.
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  • shawn474shawn474 Posts: 3,132
    edited March 22
    verb wrote: »
    Funny how we're still wanting to blame or debate the origins or possible doomsday outcome of this virus. All that will be had, at a later date. I certainly have my own views. What's important, IMO;
    • What are we doing as Americans to stay safe?
    • What are we doing as Americans to help each other?
    • What are we doing as Human Beings to inspire each other?

    As in many cases, it takes the children of our world to lead the way.

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    Many Americans across the country are turning to patriotism to find hope during the coronavirus outbreak.

    Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) called on his constituents to rally around Old Glory during a Friday press conference.

    “We’ve been attacked by this virus. We have to pull together,” DeWine said, according to WOWK. “Fly that flag every single day.”

    DeWine told the media about the act of one 7-year-old girl.

    The governor said he received an email from the girl’s mother which said, “Mr. DeWine, we do not have an American flag to hang outside our home. Today after your news conference, my 7-year-old daughter made this flag for our house in honor of your request.”

    “I would like to thank 7-year-old Elaina in Radnor, Ohio for the beautiful flag,” DeWine said.

    Cleveland.com reported there have been “lots of flags” put up around northeast Ohio in response to DeWine’s call.

    Others have done similar acts.

    Great idea verb (as well as mike Devine and Elaina!!). I am going to get mine out again this evening. I even have a spotlight from some Halloween decorations that we had to keep it lit all night! Thanks for the story!

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  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
    My kids visited me through the door today. They said no way they would come inside for my own protection.
    They go to the grocery store me for as well..

    I love my kids.

    This is what I like to see! Love your family motorhead! That's what this time is all about!

    Worthy of a bump! :smile:
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,291
    George / NJ

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,479
    shawn474 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Every year 2000 people in New York City die from the common flu......yet no cries from the media, no cries from the local or national politicians, no cries from Weirdwood, no social distancing and no lock down.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/flu-seasonal.page

    Not entirely accurate as they lump pneumonia in with that statistic. “Every year, about 2,000 New Yorkers die of seasonal flu and pneumonia, which CAN develop as a complication of the flu.”

    It remains to be seen how widespread covid-19 will be; if predictions are accurate, we could have exponentially more people infected with coronavirus than those who contract seasonal flu.

    If we are going to talk amount infected/cases.....the flu has roughly 50 million.....in a 7 month period with over 700k seeking hospital care. CV is not even close , by a long shot. Those are CDC numbers. You can look at the curve of influenza and corona , both real similar.

    Point is, we go through the influenza virus every year and lose roughly 10-50 thousand people without nobody giving a rat's behind. Now, if a state loses 10 to the CV, they are closing the whole state
    Does that mean they all weren't doing their jobs when we were losing 100 people a day to influenza? That's a virus too ya know, one we are intimately acquainted with. Even so, with our years of experience, years even decades of vaccines , research....we still can't avoid all those deaths every year. So we've become so comfortable with it, it's not even news anymore. As a society, we are pretty ok with death....unless we can make political hay over it. Then those deaths become important. If not, nobody cares. We lose 2300 a year to medical malpractice. Anyone call for investigations, try to see why and offer suggestions to get those numbers down ? Nah....so what, crap happens right.

    My rant isn't about not caring about CV, more so about the selective caring about only those issues that can be turned into votes. At the cost of people's jobs, the economy, trillions in added debt ? Really ?
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,958
    tonyb wrote: »
    shawn474 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Every year 2000 people in New York City die from the common flu......yet no cries from the media, no cries from the local or national politicians, no cries from Weirdwood, no social distancing and no lock down.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/flu-seasonal.page

    Not entirely accurate as they lump pneumonia in with that statistic. “Every year, about 2,000 New Yorkers die of seasonal flu and pneumonia, which CAN develop as a complication of the flu.”

    It remains to be seen how widespread covid-19 will be; if predictions are accurate, we could have exponentially more people infected with coronavirus than those who contract seasonal flu.

    If we are going to talk amount infected/cases.....the flu has roughly 50 million.....in a 7 month period with over 700k seeking hospital care. CV is not even close , by a long shot. Those are CDC numbers. You can look at the curve of influenza and corona , both real similar.

    Point is, we go through the influenza virus every year and lose roughly 10-50 thousand people without nobody giving a rat's behind. Now, if a state loses 10 to the CV, they are closing the whole state
    Does that mean they all weren't doing their jobs when we were losing 100 people a day to influenza? That's a virus too ya know, one we are intimately acquainted with. Even so, with our years of experience, years even decades of vaccines , research....we still can't avoid all those deaths every year. So we've become so comfortable with it, it's not even news anymore. As a society, we are pretty ok with death....unless we can make political hay over it. Then those deaths become important. If not, nobody cares. We lose 2300 a year to medical malpractice. Anyone call for investigations, try to see why and offer suggestions to get those numbers down ? Nah....so what, crap happens right.

    My rant isn't about not caring about CV, more so about the selective caring about only those issues that can be turned into votes. At the cost of people's jobs, the economy, trillions in added debt ? Really ?

    For some reason....well, intelligent people know the reason, too many ignore the above facts. Some like la2crazytown laugh at the facts just as he'll laugh at this post not realizing the laugh is on him. Anyway, I hope the woke crowd wakes the F up because if not we are truly doomed as a nation.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,291
    edited March 22
    It's not about what we are losing or have lost so far, it's about what the projections are for the losses to become. Even if the 480,000 deaths in the US is an over-estimate by a factor of 5x, we're still talking about 100,000 deaths. The flu is a known quantity and this is an unknown one that is additive and has not been factored in, and more importantly, one that our hospitals do not have the capacity to take care of. I'm not saying it isn't being politicized and I'm not saying that certain factions aren't taking political advantage of that, however this is also an issue of fear of the unknown.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,732
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,479
    It's not about what we are losing or have lost so far, it's about what the projections are for the losses to become. Even if the 480,000 deaths in the US is an over-estimate by a factor of 5x, we're still talking about 100,000 deaths. The flu is a known quantity and this is an unknown one that is additive and has not been factored in, and more importantly, one that our hospitals do not have the capacity to take care of. I'm not saying it isn't being politicized and I'm not saying that certain factions aren't taking political advantage of that, however this is also an issue of fear of the unknown.

    That's the whole point We know the flu well, and tens of thousands die from it year after year, and nobody is closing down anything, no media frenzy etc. Matter of fact, you never hear about anything, as if those lives are meaningless.

    So my question remains, we gonna do this again next year ? We will be acquainted with it by then. Will deaths from the CV matter next year ? We will most likely have a vaccine by then so we'll just tell people to make sure they get their shot and be done with all this ? No more reporting deaths and such .

    Fear of the unknown works for everything if you let it. Fear that an earthquake will finish off California. Fear that a meteor will strike and wipe out the majority of the planet. Fear of another deadly virus like the Black Plague. Fear of a nuclear war. Fear of dieing in a car accident, plane crash, train derailment.

    Take your pick, you can let fear run your life or use common sense and distinguish between real threats and hyped up ones. More have died here from texting while driving I bet than the CV. Nobody called to have cell phones abolished.

    Granted, the sheltering in place has had an effect on controlling the spread as well as our early travel bans. We don't shelter in place for the flu every year, maybe thats why those numbers are greater, and we don't issue travel bans every year. So maybe Corona would be just as deadly as the flu if we took no precautions, agreed. Still doesn't answer my questions, what nobody gave a hoot about the 20k flu deaths ? We going to do this all again come fall ? Hello a decade of depression if we do.

    BTW, hugely disappointed in the Gov. of Florida for not closing those beaches earlier. It would have kept those little brat spring breakers from even traveling there. Now they went home all over the country with many carrying the virus....yeah, but you made your bucks off the breakers right so that made it ok.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,479
    edited March 22
    ....and a quick google search says I'm right.

    26 percent of all motor vehicle crashes are related to the use of cell phones. Each day, 11 teens die in crashes caused by texting and driving. 2.35 million people in the US are injured or disabled by car crashes every year. More than 330,000 of these crashes that cause severe injury are caused by texting and driving.Feb 19, 2019

    Do the math, that's 4015 kids a year die from texting and driving....and we seem ok with that. Nobody is crying to disable cell phones while driving.Those 4k teens, expendable. 30-40-50k flu deaths, expendable. Medical malpractice deaths, and a whole cast of thousands more from various things, expendable. 500 CV deaths, oh heck no, close it all down. Does anyone see my point here ? We, as a society, don't give a rats behind about certain deaths, only the ones we can gather votes with. That's sad, real sad.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,291
    edited March 22
    The flu is not putting us over the limitations of our hospitals, COVID-19 is. Those other things you mention are not the same as COVID-19. A similar example would be if an asteroid were on a course with a 90% probablilty of grazing our upper atmosphere or something like that. It's the fact that the so called experts have made the prediction of 480,000 deaths (way way more than the annual toll for the flu) that is the problem here. I'd like to see them revisit that and reassess that on a monthly basis. For all we know we may have already changed the picture. God forbid those experts had political motivations and were not being truthful.

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,429
    tonyb wrote: »
    ....and a quick google search says I'm right.

    26 percent of all motor vehicle crashes are related to the use of cell phones. Each day, 11 teens die in crashes caused by texting and driving. 2.35 million people in the US are injured or disabled by car crashes every year. More than 330,000 of these crashes that cause severe injury are caused by texting and driving.Feb 19, 2019

    Do the math, that's 4015 kids a year die from texting and driving....and we seem ok with that. Nobody is crying to disable cell phones while driving.Those 4k teens, expendable. 30-40-50k flu deaths, expendable. Medical malpractice deaths, and a whole cast of thousands more from various things, expendable. 500 CV deaths, oh heck no, close it all down. Does anyone see my point here ? We, as a society, don't give a rats behind about certain deaths, only the ones we can gather votes with. That's sad, real sad.

    But all those people die Tony, they don’t take up hospital beds and crash global economy’s
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