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  • jonicontjonicont Posts: 247
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,825
    DOW, 18K in the future.

    Hope you didn't buy @ 22K.
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  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 4,900
    From a friend on Facebook.



    This is the first real scientific explanation of why we should be concerned and trying to limit the spread of COVID-19. I’m sharing from a closed medical page I’m on and following.

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

    It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

    Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually, these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

    Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

    H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward.

    Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

    That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

    And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

    #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 6,382
    Jstas wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    It's not absurd. It's been stated that the virus can live on surfaces for days. Bring a contaminated container into your house, and what happens? It can be potentially passed around in an environment where people have let their guard down - eating, rubbing eyes, etc.

    Yeah, I'm gonna leave a jug of milk in the sunshine for an hour or two for free radiation. That makes more sense than a disinfectant wipedown.

    You have milk mailed to you?

    Look, if you want to go wiping down everything that you buy from the store, that's up to you. It's a bit extreme and you run more of a risk of making yourself ill from harsh chemicals being ingested than any germicidal benefits. The odds that you'll get something from touching a gallon of milk are slim. Either someone would have to be actively coughing on every gallon of milk in the fridge at the store or coughing on their hands and then touching every gallon of milk. Even then, you'd have grab the gallon almost immediately after the person did it to have any real risk.

    But even if you don't wipe it all down, you just said that the virus doesn't live on surfaces for more than 72 hours. That is a maximum time, a worst case scenario. Not the norm.

    I'd tell you to go buy yourself a UV sterilization light to use to sterilize everything but everywhere I've looked, they are sold out. So you can't go doing that.
    I think you've got the wrong idea on my perspective on all this, and the point of my original question. But whatever, call it what you want, and press on with the dopey sarcasm. I understand what would have to happen for CV to survive on a surface. It's a valid point to consider what we're potentially bringing into our homes and to understand how.

    The point is the amount of transference possible, and the ways it can happen. It's not a new concept, and it's not as difficult as you're saying it is.

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 27,384
    edited March 2020
    The human immune system (heck, all mammalian immune systems) can quickly (less than one month) select for cell clones and produce antibodies against novel antigens. Initial immune response is via IgM, followed by the (usually) durable IgG antibody response.

    That's why we can "make" antibodies to, e.g., chemical 'immunogens', properly presented, that never existed in Nature before somebody made them.

    The "biggest" risk lies with folks with compromised immune systems -- typically the elderly and the young (although not so much, so far, with COVID-19), and other folks with diseases that impact their immune systems.

  • JstasJstas Posts: 14,370
    edited March 2020
    msg wrote: »
    I think you've got the wrong idea on my perspective on all this, and the point of my original question. But whatever, call it what you want, and press on with the dopey sarcasm. I understand what would have to happen for CV to survive on a surface. It's a valid point to consider what we're potentially bringing into our homes and to understand how.

    The point is the amount of transference possible, and the ways it can happen. It's not a new concept, and it's not as difficult as you're saying it is.

    You don't have to listen to me 'cause I'm one of those stupid people.

    Here's an article on it from people who are experts.

    It was already posted, maybe you missed it.
    jonicont wrote: »

    Expert Moron Extraordinaire

    You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,867
    post the article so that people who don't want to register with NYT can view it.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,744
    Joey_V wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Delivery, drive through and check out clerks...who would have ever thought that those would be the list of most dangerous jobs

    Not even close.

    Nothing like first responders.

    Kind of hypocritical of you to disregard others at this time due to the nature and the environment that others are having to work in during these times. While many business are allowing you to work at home or remove themselves from harm. Many of us are trying to keep the flow of goods and food to the public. Sorry, people in positions of handling packages, cash etc to every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Susan are at higher risks than normal to exposure to illness, which you have disclosed yourself as dangerous.

    Sometimes you project yourself as high and mighty and the only one that matters.
    Be careful and take care.

    @txcoastal1

    Uh, I’m not a first responder.

    I’m not hypocritical. I did not say their jobs are not dangerous at this time. I’m using your example that if you were to call their jobs dangerous, imagine the first responders. The guys who come into your house and basically soak up in all your germs trying to get you to the stretcher to be transported after you call 911.

    Don’t compare them to an amazon delivery who drops off a package and may have a 5 second interaction with mostly well patients.

    High and mighty? Now I know how you really feel about me.

    Now you are making stuff up and/or didn't read. I never mentioned first responders.
    I never put those jobs above and beyond first responders, I simply put the on moved them up on the list

    "who would have ever thought that those would be the list"

    Sorry I hurt your feelings
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,744
    verb wrote: »
    Guys we need to support @Joey_V as he is on the front line, and seeing this sstuff everyday.

    I never had in my life real time, real world perspective, from a medical doctor.

    @Joey_V thank you for sharing!

    I do support him, and wish the best for him and others including the families they have to go home too. Joey came off belittling in his response...I've said my peace

    Good day :)
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,671
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The human immune system (heck, all mammalian immune systems) can quickly (less than one month) select for cell clones and produce antibodies against novel antigens. Initial immune response is via IgM, followed by the (usually) durable IgG antibody response.

    That's why we can "make" antibodies to, e.g., chemical 'immunogens', properly presented, that never existed in Nature before somebody made them.

    The "biggest" risk lies with folks with compromised immune systems -- typically the elderly and the young (although not so much, so far, with COVID-19), and other folks with diseases that impact their immune systems.


    This right here.....^^

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  • verbverb Posts: 10,313
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Guys we need to support @Joey_V as he is on the front line, and seeing this sstuff everyday.

    I never had in my life real time, real world perspective, from a medical doctor.

    @Joey_V thank you for sharing!

    I do support him, and wish the best for him and others including the families they have to go home too. Joey came off belittling in his response...I've said my peace

    Good day :)

    Hey brother, I know you do. Love ya. My comment was really general in nature, not only should we be supporting @Joey_V but everyone that we know and love. And others that are at high risk.

    This is a time, as in the past, IMO, to come together, tap into our generous spirit, and help each other!
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  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,496
    All of us should stop reading things into a person's post. Give them the benefit of the doubt. It's a trying time!!!
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,825
    Wow, S&P under 2400 and oil under $23.00 a barrel.



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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    the substitution of politics for existence is the supreme betrayal of the subjective otherness of man.
  • verbverb Posts: 10,313
    More support for our most vulnerable and cherished members of the community!
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  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 5,178
    Busy this morning supporting go work at home stuff.
    Creating announcements for city services, and helping users
    set up for work at home. I'm waiting to see how police and
    fire handle it. Anything that can go remote is going remote.
    They even see a spring allergy symptom you're going home.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 14,375
    edited March 2020
    I have to admit I am a bit surprised at how fast work from home is spreading throughout the nation. It amazes me there are still (stupid) people around who think this virus is a minor issue, or even a hoax.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,744
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I have to admit I am a bit surprised at how fast work from home is spreading throughout the nation. It amazes me there are still (stupid) people around who think this virus is minor issue, or even a hoax.

    Ditto, seeing and hearing about all the bars packed this weekend and spring breakers crowding the beaches. Here in the Dallas area even 20-30yr olds with cases are popping up. I winder if they were some of the ones who were making those reckless choices.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,825
    edited March 2020
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Please refrain from labeling as stupid, people who do not think we should burn society to the ground over a virus with a <1% fatality rate. At the current rate, the damage being done by the panic is going to outweigh the damage the virus does by orders of magnitude.

    Good thing the current administration does not share your view. On tv now pulling out all the stops. Comparing this to WWII, sounds like panic to me.
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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    the substitution of politics for existence is the supreme betrayal of the subjective otherness of man.
  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 5,178
    we are going to see cell and internet slowdowns and outages.

    Verizon cell service is already straining
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 23,245
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Please refrain from labeling as stupid, people who do not think we should burn society to the ground over a virus with a <1% fatality rate. At the current rate, the damage being done by the panic is going to outweigh the damage the virus does by orders of magnitude.

    Good thing the current administration does not share your view. On tv now pulling out all the stops.

    Good to see you say something positive about the current administration. :p

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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,825
    edited March 2020
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Please refrain from labeling as stupid, people who do not think we should burn society to the ground over a virus with a <1% fatality rate. At the current rate, the damage being done by the panic is going to outweigh the damage the virus does by orders of magnitude.

    Good thing the current administration does not share your view. On tv now pulling out all the stops.

    Good to see you say something positive about the current administration. :p

    Little late to the party but they showed up. Seem to be in sort of a panic, which is good. Not hair on fire panic but not taking the cavalier approach of last week either.
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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    the substitution of politics for existence is the supreme betrayal of the subjective otherness of man.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,313
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 14,375
    edited March 2020
    I overdosed on Pizza, and spent all my money. :)
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,514
    Being a Department of Defense GS, I'm pretty surprised they haven't sent us home with our laptops. I work alone, so I have minimal risk.

    Be cautious, be safe, use common sense, don't take unnecessary risks. There's a pretty good mix of "the sky is falling" and "nothing to see here" and usually the truth falls somewhere in between.

    Thanks to ALL of the medical professionals/EMT's/LEO's and other public workers that have to be out in this mess. Say a prayer for them.

    In closing I'll state this: I'm going to Florida in June. Even if I have to walk my **** there from Southern Arizona. LOL
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amplifier: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 - Cables: Kimber Hero XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 dig coaxial
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