Official Polkfest 2019 - complete with new SDAs!

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,286
    I told David he couldn’t come unless he brought the truck. It’s spectacular in every way.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,664
    He promised me a ride but then just left. I really wanted to feel 750hp.

    Biggest surprise of the weekend? Indyhawg is a full fledged metal head. Who knew? Not me anyway.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,913
    Nightfall wrote: »
    He promised me a ride but then just left. I really wanted to feel 750hp.

    Biggest surprise of the weekend? Indyhawg is a full fledged metal head. Who knew? Not me anyway.

    you and me both Josh
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,141
    This is going to be short, concise, to the point, and probably p!$$ some people off but here goes...

    Comparing to my experiences with fully modded 2.3TLs, and speaking *ONLY* to the SDA portion, the SDA from the 2.3TLs was well integrated and smoothly transitioned from one point to the next. It felt as if it was meant to be.

    On the L800s, the SDA seemed "gimmicky" to me. It wasn't well integrated and like Russ stated, things were not consistent.
    It got so annoying to me that I only felt like listening to a few songs before moving on to other rooms and ultimately spent my most time with the RF Elbas. The Elbas are slightly cheaper, but to me, they are the better speaker.

    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    Frankly, I would rather listen to 2 channel music on the L200s (Would love to get some ears on the L600s) over the L800s.

    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,583
    No crap to sling.... more like stunned acceptance on my part. I would like to hear them in my home against the 1.2TL’s.
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  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 696
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Well then I will stand by my assessment that these were built more for the home theater crowd than 2ch. music. Honestly if I wanted to be in the middle of the band I would listen to 5.1/7.1 surround or any one of the other surround choices that put me there.

    That sounds like the best answer to me. Been there, done that, and I didn't like the multiple channel music.
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,700
    I may be biased but the way I see it is at $6k you build for the best two channel speaker you can and it will still be better than a lot of home theater speakers and you can sell to both markets.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,611
    edited November 12
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    This is going to be short, concise, to the point, and probably p!$$ some people off but here goes...

    Comparing to my experiences with fully modded 2.3TLs, and speaking *ONLY* to the SDA portion, the SDA from the 2.3TLs was well integrated and smoothly transitioned from one point to the next. It felt as if it was meant to be.

    On the L800s, the SDA seemed "gimmicky" to me. It wasn't well integrated and like Russ stated, things were not consistent.
    It got so annoying to me that I only felt like listening to a few songs before moving on to other rooms and ultimately spent my most time with the RF Elbas. The Elbas are slightly cheaper, but to me, they are the better speaker.

    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    Frankly, I would rather listen to 2 channel music on the L200s (Would love to get some ears on the L600s) over the L800s.

    The L200s are (were, @ demo) quite palatable indeed.

    I dunno 'bout the L600s - they look oh-so-early 2010s-ordinary to me. Stacks of drivers in a tower just says to me no imagination or no interest in being creative. :/

    I mean, the L800s, at least, look different. They get points for that, in my book.

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,652
    marvda1 wrote: »
    I may be biased but the way I see it is at $6k you build for the best two channel speaker you can and it will still be better than a lot of home theater speakers and you can sell to both markets.

    Now that is the winning comment. :) My thoughts exactly Marv.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,716
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
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    All i have of the inside

    Dude. I want that! They make it for Silverados?
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,611
    lightman1 wrote: »
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    Thank you, Russ. How are rehearsals for the all-male "Charlie's Angels" Broadway show going?

    I will haunt your dreams and make your waking moments an exercise in nerve wracking anxiety......

    @lightman1 looks like the "after" out-take from the photoshoot for the ol' Maxell Blown Away ad.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,553
    No crap to sling.... more like stunned acceptance on my part. I would like to hear them in my home against the 1.2TL’s.

    I'm also a little stunned/bummed that the L800's didn't impress. Part of me wants to believe that there must have been something gone awry in the internals of the them, shipping? Or, the SDA Cable had something going on with it.

    But, you cant deny the conclusions of the collective group that witnessed/heard the outcome.

    Oh well, I'm probably around 6K ahead at this point ;)

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • dkfreebirddkfreebird Posts: 1,106
    I will see if Skip wants me to bring one of my pair over so we can get a comparison of the old and new.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,913
    edited November 12
    joecoulson wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    pda3tabod4my.jpg

    onmpxu29d4ld.jpg

    zlgy38bng8nm.jpg

    All i have of the inside

    Dude. I want that! They make it for Silverados?

    If you have the cash they make ANYTHING you want.

    I will say that this truck had SUPER sound deadening stuff in the doors and everywhere as you could stand outside of it and not hear a thing. From what I could tell he was not holding back yet I and Russ and Jeff stood next to it and heard very very little of what was going on inside. When Jeff got in and then got out he this this guy was giving it a work out and not holding back and it just got louder and louder and clearer with no break up at all and we still said we heard nothing outside. No subs, no rattles and no window shake could be seen nor heard.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,286
    That is a custom enclosure joe.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,108
    edited November 12
    He did amazing work on that truck.
    Nightfall wrote: »
    He promised me a ride but then just left. I really wanted to feel 750hp.

    Biggest surprise of the weekend? Indyhawg is a full fledged metal head. Who knew? Not me anyway.

    Hey it is 755HP and his amp went to 11. BTW do NOT google the price of that truck!
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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,141
    So the part that seems to be getting missed with regards to the L800s is that the Polk rep said they sounded like they should.
    So the flaws are in the speaker design itself if the Polk rep felt the speakers were performing as they should be.

    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,141
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    This is going to be short, concise, to the point, and probably p!$$ some people off but here goes...

    Comparing to my experiences with fully modded 2.3TLs, and speaking *ONLY* to the SDA portion, the SDA from the 2.3TLs was well integrated and smoothly transitioned from one point to the next. It felt as if it was meant to be.

    On the L800s, the SDA seemed "gimmicky" to me. It wasn't well integrated and like Russ stated, things were not consistent.
    It got so annoying to me that I only felt like listening to a few songs before moving on to other rooms and ultimately spent my most time with the RF Elbas. The Elbas are slightly cheaper, but to me, they are the better speaker.

    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    Frankly, I would rather listen to 2 channel music on the L200s (Would love to get some ears on the L600s) over the L800s.

    The L200s are (were, @ demo) quite palatable indeed.

    I dunno 'bout the L600s - they look oh-so-early 2010s-ordinary to me. Stacks of drivers in a tower just says to me no imagination or no interest in being creative. :/

    I mean, the L800s, at least, look different. They get points for that, in my book.

    The L200s grew on me. But more about that in the L200 demo thread.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,611
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    This is going to be short, concise, to the point, and probably p!$$ some people off but here goes...

    Comparing to my experiences with fully modded 2.3TLs, and speaking *ONLY* to the SDA portion, the SDA from the 2.3TLs was well integrated and smoothly transitioned from one point to the next. It felt as if it was meant to be.

    On the L800s, the SDA seemed "gimmicky" to me. It wasn't well integrated and like Russ stated, things were not consistent.
    It got so annoying to me that I only felt like listening to a few songs before moving on to other rooms and ultimately spent my most time with the RF Elbas. The Elbas are slightly cheaper, but to me, they are the better speaker.

    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    Frankly, I would rather listen to 2 channel music on the L200s (Would love to get some ears on the L600s) over the L800s.

    The L200s are (were, @ demo) quite palatable indeed.

    I dunno 'bout the L600s - they look oh-so-early 2010s-ordinary to me. Stacks of drivers in a tower just says to me no imagination or no interest in being creative. :/

    I mean, the L800s, at least, look different. They get points for that, in my book.

    The L200s grew on me. But more about that in the L200 demo thread.

    well played, Grasshopper. Well played.

    :)
  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,350
    edited November 12
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    This is going to be short, concise, to the point, and probably p!$$ some people off but here goes...

    Comparing to my experiences with fully modded 2.3TLs, and speaking *ONLY* to the SDA portion, the SDA from the 2.3TLs was well integrated and smoothly transitioned from one point to the next. It felt as if it was meant to be.

    On the L800s, the SDA seemed "gimmicky" to me. It wasn't well integrated and like Russ stated, things were not consistent.
    It got so annoying to me that I only felt like listening to a few songs before moving on to other rooms and ultimately spent my most time with the RF Elbas. The Elbas are slightly cheaper, but to me, they are the better speaker.

    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    Frankly, I would rather listen to 2 channel music on the L200s (Would love to get some ears on the L600s) over the L800s.

    The L200s are (were, @ demo) quite palatable indeed.

    I dunno 'bout the L600s - they look oh-so-early 2010s-ordinary to me. Stacks of drivers in a tower just says to me no imagination or no interest in being creative. :/

    I mean, the L800s, at least, look different. They get points for that, in my book.

    The L200s grew on me. But more about that in the L200 demo thread.

    I am looking forward to my turn to demo the L200's....but for this event, the Elbas really grew on me as the day went on, but I will write more on that later.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,664
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • Nightfall wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.

    Lucky for you, the Pienzas are also a little easier on the wallet, lol.
    Personally I think the sound on the Pienzas are phenomenal, and I think if I was actually taking out my wallet I might actually pick them over the Elbas. But I also know I'd miss some of that bass impact. The Pienzas do dig much lower than I expected. You're not missing too much.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,286
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.

    Lucky for you, the Pienzas are also a little easier on the wallet, lol.
    Personally I think the sound on the Pienzas are phenomenal, and I think if I was actually taking out my wallet I might actually pick them over the Elbas. But I also know I'd miss some of that bass impact. The Pienzas do dig much lower than I expected. You're not missing too much.

    For you, we have the Certaldo!

    zlfdg5xoh4u7.jpeg
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,286
    On that note, one attendee told me as he was leaving - “I didn’t plan on spending anywhere near $3500 on speakers, but you’ve got my wheels turning.”

    He was speaking of the first gen Certaldos I am trying to find a home for.
  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 487
    edited November 12
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.

    Lucky for you, the Pienzas are also a little easier on the wallet, lol.
    Personally I think the sound on the Pienzas are phenomenal, and I think if I was actually taking out my wallet I might actually pick them over the Elbas. But I also know I'd miss some of that bass impact. The Pienzas do dig much lower than I expected. You're not missing too much.

    For you, we have the Certaldo!

    zlfdg5xoh4u7.jpeg

    You say this like I don't already know, haha.

    Honestly if I had the cashflow we'd be having a shootout between the Thors and the Centraldo. That sounds fun!
    But adult life has been coming hard this year. Instead of Rossos I'm getting a new fence and roof. whoo. hoo. Thanks mother nature.
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    Digital: Sony CDP-CE375 / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,108
    Lots of tarps and go for the speakers. Lol.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,286
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.

    Lucky for you, the Pienzas are also a little easier on the wallet, lol.
    Personally I think the sound on the Pienzas are phenomenal, and I think if I was actually taking out my wallet I might actually pick them over the Elbas. But I also know I'd miss some of that bass impact. The Pienzas do dig much lower than I expected. You're not missing too much.

    For you, we have the Certaldo!

    zlfdg5xoh4u7.jpeg

    You say this like I don't already know, haha.

    Honestly if I had the cashflow we'd be having a shootout between the Thors and the Centraldo. That sounds fun!
    But adult life has been coming hard this year. Instead of Rossos I'm getting a new fence and roof. whoo. hoo. Thanks mother nature.
    erniejade wrote: »
    Lots of tarps and go for the speakers. Lol.

    Maybe a poll could be of use?
  • erniejade wrote: »
    Lots of tarps and go for the speakers. Lol.
    DSkip wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thought the Elbas bass was a bit much? I'm not a huge bass head though, I like my deep bass to have just a touch of presence. The Pienzas were just about perfect for my tastes.

    Lucky for you, the Pienzas are also a little easier on the wallet, lol.
    Personally I think the sound on the Pienzas are phenomenal, and I think if I was actually taking out my wallet I might actually pick them over the Elbas. But I also know I'd miss some of that bass impact. The Pienzas do dig much lower than I expected. You're not missing too much.

    For you, we have the Certaldo!

    zlfdg5xoh4u7.jpeg

    You say this like I don't already know, haha.

    Honestly if I had the cashflow we'd be having a shootout between the Thors and the Centraldo. That sounds fun!
    But adult life has been coming hard this year. Instead of Rossos I'm getting a new fence and roof. whoo. hoo. Thanks mother nature.
    erniejade wrote: »
    Lots of tarps and go for the speakers. Lol.

    Maybe a poll could be of use?

    Touche. I can just send that claim check back right? Or maybe they'll just understand that I went for speakers instead. >:)
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    Digital: Sony CDP-CE375 / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
    MastersounD Dueventi > JBL Studio 580 or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
    Discogs
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,664
    The poll won't help. Entire forum will be split 50/50.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,619
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Feel free to sling the "your ears are crap" and "the setup was crap" and "you don't know what to listen for" crap but I was there and I know what I heard.

    It might just be an example of bad synergy. I encountered a hard example of this during the 2018 and 2010 AXPONA shows with the awesome Sonus faber Aida II speakers ($130,000 per pair). I have written about these experiences in prior threads.

    2018 Aida II AXPONA Experience - This was the most dynamic, most life like, most realistic sound stage I have ever heard in my life. I spent hours in that room and I constantly compared the sound of other speakers at the show to the Aidas. There were only two things I didn't like: 1. The bass didn't have the speed, weight, definition, and thunder I preferred, especially for a speaker of that size. 2. I didn't like the "head in a vice" requirement for proper sound stage rendering in the sweet spot (of course, that's par for the course for conventional speakers).

    2019 Aida II AXPONA Experience - Same speakers, same company reps, same local dealer reps, same room, different equipment, different cables, and different positioning in the room. I couldn't stand it. The Aidas had a shrill brightness that I found distracting and irritating. Other people at the show, as well as another of our forum members, said the same thing about the hot top end. I thought perhaps, since this was the first day of the show, they weren't through dialing them in. The company rep assured me they were set up properly and sounded as they should. When I mentioned that they sounded RADICALLY different from the previous year, I was told that I was hearing the differences between last year's and this year's electronics. Even with that assurance from a very credible source, I still felt there was something "wrong" in the setup. I came prepared to listen to a few of my favorite musical selections, as I did the previous year, but I was done after the first song.

    The only positive was that the bass was excellent: detailed, fast, articulate, and weighty. The Aidas were driven by a pair of McIntosh 1200 watt solid state monoblocks. The previous year they were driven by a pair of Audio Research 750 watt tube monoblocks. I revisited the Aida room several times on Friday and Saturday, and, I was bitterly disappointed on each visit. This experience wasn't all a waste though. At least I found out that the Aidas can produce the kind of bass I like.

    2018 Aida comments:
    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/181769/dks-axpona-2018-experience-pt-2-of-3-sonus-faber-aida-review

    2019 Aida comments:
    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2503657#Comment_2503657
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