Official Polkfest 2019 - complete with new SDAs!

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,550
    Ah, I'll still own a pair of L800 one day, mod the crap out of them
    - Not Tom

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,560
    edited November 11
    dromunds wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Stopping for gas so real quick. I won't say they're bright bright but they're a little bright. Not a lot of depth to the stage but holy moly can it wrap all the way around the sides of the room and a little bit behind you even. Not realistic but super cool IMO. Maybe gimmicky to others opinion. Chocolate Chip Trip was indeed a trip.

    I like my 2Bs better and they're stock. They don't have the detail retrieval or wrap around stage like the L800s do but they're more musical and pleasing and I like the 2B bass better, has more texture.

    Just one noobs opinion though. I'm sure you'll get some more experienced answers.

    I keep thinking about this comment: these are not bright tweeters, at least not in the two weeks I listened to them. If they were bright perhaps it wasn't the speakers?

    The L200's tweeters are certainly not bright (as I 'define' the term) -- extended but nonfatiguing.

    That said, the configuration of the tweeters in the L800 is certainly different.

    One would certainly be interested in how sources other than streaming would've sounded under the conditions of the demo this past weekend. Not that this is a testable hypothesis at this point.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,359
    K_M wrote: »
    Why not simply hearing variability between different people?

    I see many say the Lsim are not bright, but I think they are. Many say the older Lsi are blah treble wise, but to me they sound just right.

    Not everyone hears high frequencies the same. Younger people have less roll off of the highs. Just part of aging and we all hear a bit differently to begin with.

    Could be, but various aged individuals heard the tweeters when I had them and nobody thought they were bright. In fact, everybody thought the top end was smooth and impressive to say the least.


    Nightfall wrote: »
    dromunds wrote: »
    I keep thinking about this comment: these are not bright tweeters, at least not in the two weeks I listened to them. If they were bright perhaps it wasn't the speakers?

    I wasn't the only one. I forget who it was but someone else also said "Is it just me or are they a little bright?". Just a little though. I'm curious as ever to get the L200's in my room.

    What I call a little bright Skip calls energetic and others call detailed. I think sometimes I describe things I'm hearing incorrectly. Or we just all have different qualities that we like and dislike.

    I'm not saying you didn't hear what you heard, just suggesting that perhaps what you and others heard as bright may in fact have been attributes that were attributable to variables other than the speakers themselves. As you said, you'll find out more when you demo the L200's in your own room.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,614
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • I'm interested to see how the L200's compare to what I recall of the L800's. I liked Marvin's description of them as a "party speaker." The bass on the L800 was the most impressive element from my view, but the overall sound wasn't for me... with or without phase issues. For my preferences, I wanted more detail from percussion on a few tracks. With rock music they do great with the guitars and vocals, but one of my regular test tracks is Black Sabbath - War Pigs/Luke's Wall, which was already on the playlist when I sat down. I love this track specifically for the drums, which I find get wildly different presentations based on the system. With the L800, I found myself searching for the drums, rather than following them. Obviously a personal preference thing, but that was my opinion. I felt the same for a few Santana tracks we played. Fun sound, ripping guitars, great bass, but the percussion just felt further back in the mix.

    Having said all of that, I was only at Skip's place during peak traffic and I spent as much time socializing as I did listening. It was very much a trade show style "sampling" experience vs detailed listening for me. Just figured I would share my experience with the featured system of the day. Certainly more of an initial impression vs a detailed review. Take it with a grain of salt.

    As for the other systems, I continue to love Rosso gear. The bookshelf Pienza speakers still impress me each time I've heard them. Personally I would want a little more bass impact in a primary system, but those certainly are tempting.

    The Elba's downstairs were also great. Hillary and I both agreed we preferred the Elba system to the L800 system. I didn't spend too much time with the Siena's this go around, mostly because that system was playing music that isn't really my thing. I've been lucky enough to hear them pretty extensively at Skips. If money wasn't a factor, I would gladly live with Sienas for the long haul. Someday.
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  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,787
    edited November 11
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Nightfall, I am curious if you are referring to the Rosso bookshelf speakers (which were shown in your pics from Polkfest) or the larger Rosso's. Thanks.

    It seems like the Rosso's are getting a a lot of love from the Polkfest and that the new L800 SDA's are falling somewhat short of expectations.

    I would love to hear both speakers, although other than at Skip's (which is too far from me), I do not know where I'd get my ears on Rosso speakers.

    Thanks for all of your feedback as well as the posts of everyone else who attended.

  • verbverb Posts: 8,149
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Well said! I feel the same way! But it's exciting to think about what my journey holds in store for me!

    Interesting discussion on the L800's thus far. Only here on CP, as IIRC nowhere else has a bunch of folks been able to deep dive the new speakers!

    Most reviews out there seem to be from folks who never experienced SDA before, or have long forgotten.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,614
    I'm talking about the bigger ones. The Italian names are easy to forget, not my language ;)

    The Pienzas are great but closer to the level I'm already playing at than the bigger ones. There's a bookie that's looks like the top half of the bigger ones, that's probably the entry level of the real good like the bigger ones more than the Pienzas are. Don't take that wrong the Pienzas are still very good, better than anything I have and amazing for their size.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,104
    edited November 11
    @pglbook I think skip is the USA distributor for Rosso. I could be mistaken though.

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,560
    verb wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Well said! I feel the same way! But it's exciting to think about what my journey holds in store for me!

    Interesting discussion on the L800's thus far. Only here on CP, as IIRC nowhere else has a bunch of folks been able to deep dive the new speakers!

    Most reviews out there seem to be from folks who never experienced SDA before, or have long forgotten.

    The L800 chatter has crossed over to AK, FWIW.

  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,787
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm talking about the bigger ones. The Italian names are easy to forget, not my language ;)

    The Pienzas are great but closer to the level I'm already playing at than the bigger ones. There's a bookie that's looks like the top half of the bigger ones, that's probably the entry level of the real good like the bigger ones more than the Pienzas are. Don't take that wrong the Pienzas are still very good, better than anything I have and amazing for their size.
    erniejade wrote: »
    @pglbook I think skip is the USA distributor for Rosso. I could be mistaken though.

    Thanks!
  • verbverb Posts: 8,149
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Well said! I feel the same way! But it's exciting to think about what my journey holds in store for me!

    Interesting discussion on the L800's thus far. Only here on CP, as IIRC nowhere else has a bunch of folks been able to deep dive the new speakers!

    Most reviews out there seem to be from folks who never experienced SDA before, or have long forgotten.

    The L800 chatter has crossed over to AK, FWIW.

    So you made me look! Dang it Mark! :smile: And what did I find, one of our very own slugging it out on the thread!
    21oq1f2mte98.png

    Interesting, there was posting from an attendee at @DSkip 's Polkfest. Not very flattering.

    https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/new-polk-legend-l800-the-return-of-sda.883101/page-4
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  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,350
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Well said! I feel the same way! But it's exciting to think about what my journey holds in store for me!

    Interesting discussion on the L800's thus far. Only here on CP, as IIRC nowhere else has a bunch of folks been able to deep dive the new speakers!

    Most reviews out there seem to be from folks who never experienced SDA before, or have long forgotten.

    The L800 chatter has crossed over to AK, FWIW.

    So you made me look! Dang it Mark! :smile: And what did I find, one of our very own slugging it out on the thread!
    21oq1f2mte98.png

    Interesting, there was posting from an attendee at @DSkip 's Polkfest. Not very flattering.

    https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/new-polk-legend-l800-the-return-of-sda.883101/page-4

    I took a peek at the AK thread also. I must have missed that attendee. But he had pictures so he must have been there.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,281
    indyhawg wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    I'm happy to have gone to this. Thanks Skip for having us. Hearing the Rosso's in the bigger room upstairs has shown me I really am playing at a pedestrian level. How real they sounded was amazing even if I didn't listen to any of my music on them I could still tell how good they were.

    Well said! I feel the same way! But it's exciting to think about what my journey holds in store for me!

    Interesting discussion on the L800's thus far. Only here on CP, as IIRC nowhere else has a bunch of folks been able to deep dive the new speakers!

    Most reviews out there seem to be from folks who never experienced SDA before, or have long forgotten.

    The L800 chatter has crossed over to AK, FWIW.

    So you made me look! Dang it Mark! :smile: And what did I find, one of our very own slugging it out on the thread!
    21oq1f2mte98.png

    Interesting, there was posting from an attendee at @DSkip 's Polkfest. Not very flattering.

    https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/new-polk-legend-l800-the-return-of-sda.883101/page-4

    I took a peek at the AK thread also. I must have missed that attendee. But he had pictures so he must have been there.

    That was the boyfriend of the girl who went toe to toe with Willy.
  • SIHABSIHAB Posts: 1,574
    edited November 11
    Nut dirties up another thread. :(

    So if I have this right, the new Polks tweeters ARE better than the LSiM line. Right?
    I would expect the bass to be better than the LSim line as well?
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,104
    Is that Andrew and his girlfriend? I thought he said he had JBL and liked the Elba over Kerry's system upstairs.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,614
    erniejade wrote: »
    liked the Elba over Kerry's system upstairs.

    That's crazy talk. No offense to Andrew.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,695
    that's why I didn't want to mention his name. we did have a great alcohol induced discussion about the piece of equipment with the best specs will always sound the best :s
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,104
    marvda1 wrote: »
    that's why I didn't want to mention his name. we did have a great alcohol induced discussion about the piece of equipment with the best specs will always sound the best :s

    I was overhearing some of that and laughing.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,149
    marvda1 wrote: »
    that's why I didn't want to mention his name. we did have a great alcohol induced discussion about the piece of equipment with the best specs will always sound the best :s

    A little drama at Polkfest? Let's have the details! :)
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,410
    I wish I could have made it down, but, too much turmoil going on in life right now. Hopefully LSAF, speaking of...did I read that LS is going to be in June next year?

    All of these discussions are great, but, I have to continuously remind myself that this is always a subjective hobby. Though there are some technical aspects we can point to and base some decisions on, there really isn't a wrong way to do it. What I may find terrible others will think is the cats meow. What I love, others may hate. It gets personal when someone denigrates something we love. The great thing is that there are still folks that love audio playback and are willing to travel long distances to meet and share that love of the hobby. Many great relationships have developed through this hobby, and, particularly this forum. From Kraco to Krell, all are welcome. Except for the guy that liked the Elba over my Siena ;)
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,560
    edited November 11
    Kraco... hmm...

    10857809716_b6ba79f382_c.jpgutah693 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    closest I can get. B)

    10857756035_667ab5d212_c.jpgutah692 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,074
    SIHAB wrote: »
    Nut dirties up another thread. :(

    So if I have this right, the new Polks tweeters ARE better than the LSiM line. Right?
    I would expect the bass to be better than the LSim line as well?

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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,104
    4ly1tyujdrbj.jpg I had one back in the day on my 8-track deck in the car
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,104
    2gbjrdmvdexw.jpg and the speaker
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  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,350
    Those Triaxials were the bomb back in the day.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    kharp1 wrote: »
    From Kraco to Krell, all are welcome.

    Good signature material there.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,560
    edited November 11
    indyhawg wrote: »
    Those Triaxials were the bomb back in the day.

    Yeah, they were -- although then, I'd rather have had a pair of the little Polk Audio MiniMonitors. I loved them, couldn't afford a pair... and would not mind havin' a pair now. :|

    nqh4krejvmri.png
    source: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2395474#Comment_2395474

    ... but I digress...
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 4,464
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    ... but I digress...

    If you are going to digress, at least wash your hands after!
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