Advice-Should I get an 851N

jonicontjonicont Posts: 224
My current digital set up--Hard drive with 1600 cd's (flac) and maybe 2 dozen 192 hi-rez files>computer>Squeezebox Touch (cat 5 to the router)>Wyred for Sound Dac1(via coax)>preamp. I'm pretty much 99% vinyl these days (1500 records) and use the digital front end to preview records on Spotify before buying. I'm pretty happy with the way the cd's sound. Will the 851N be a significant improvement or am I just itching for a new toy
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    Personally I would spend the money on a better DAC, or a better streaming transport such as the Auralic Aries G1.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,197
    I agree on a better dac or streamer, or both. The LUMIN U1 Mini is better sounding than the Aries G1 and cheaper, but requires an Ethernet connection.

    Another option is the Aries Mini on the used market and roll some extra into a dac.

    The Cambridge streamers are nice but I view them as standalone units. If you are looking for separate units for streamer and dac there are better options albeit more expensive.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,570
    To answer the OP's original question, the 851 will be a significant improvement over your current setup.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,664
    edited May 22
    jonicont wrote: »
    My current digital set up--Hard drive with 1600 cd's (flac) and maybe 2 dozen 192 hi-rez files>computer>Squeezebox Touch (cat 5 to the router)>Wyred for Sound Dac1(via coax)>preamp. I'm pretty much 99% vinyl these days (1500 records) and use the digital front end to preview records on Spotify before buying. I'm pretty happy with the way the cd's sound. Will the 851N be a significant improvement or am I just itching for a new toy

    Is there a make or break price point here?? Do you like the idea of more seperates as you are asking about a specific player which I have spent a lot of time with. The 851N is a great stand alone and sounds great. Wired or wireless, easy to use with a great App. We all know skys the limit on what ya can spend on a pre amp streaming DAC so hone in on what's important to you. Is this something you want to get and be done ,with it?? If so the 851N wasn't the one for me to do that with, but was a cool introduction to what could be done with a stand alone, accessing your files wheather or not on an external HD or (what I now know to be the best route for large libraries) A NAS!

    I think the 851N is a great idea if you aren't looking for that magic that I also now know a great DAC will deliver!! Once that sound bites your ears, you are DONE!!
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,959
    I do think any of you actually read the post :p . @jonicont states that he mainly listens to vinyl and just uses streaming to preview albums through spotify, which is NOT lossless. Seems like a big fat waste of $1000+ to me...
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    He said he has 1,600 ripped CDs.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,959
    edited May 22
    jonicont wrote: »
    I'm pretty much 99% vinyl these days (1500 records) and use the digital front end to preview records on Spotify before buying.
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    So he has 1,600 ripped CDs that he doesn't listen to?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,959
    Clipdat wrote: »
    So he has 1,600 ripped CDs that he doesn't listen to?

    That’s what he said dude, not me 🤪
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,205
    I guess we'll have to wait for clarification from the OP.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • jonicontjonicont Posts: 224
    Well, I'm 65yo. Started taking care of my vinyl around '72 (had to rebuy everything from the 60's) and they're all in excellent condition. Started with cd's in the mid 80's for convenience when my career got in the way (Physician). Got back into vinyl around 2008. I still listen to new music--mostly in the Americana vein but I'm still down for a good headbang. I love live music and got to about 75 shows a year-mostly small clubs (I'm retired). So yeah, I don't listen to cd's all that much. My digital front end is going on 10 years and I thought that it's probably getting a little long in the tooth. That seems to be the general consensus. I'm just looking for something reasonable that would be sufficient for my needs.
    SDA 2BTL , DREADNAUGHT, REGA P3-24 (TT-PSU),Groovetracer sub platter, Delrin platter, Origin Live Encounter tonearm, DYNAVECTOR 20X2 LOMC, Rogue Ares Magnum, WYRED 4 SOUND DAC 1, McCormack DNA 0.5 Gold, ARC LS-17se, MIT AVT MA IC'S & SPEAKER CABLESSqueezebox Touch-Wellborne Power
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,664
    edited May 22
    The 851N would serve you well.oh..& Im only 5 years behind ya.😄
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
    *****************************
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,959
    Do u listen to CDs? Or mostly vinyl? If the latter i just think it’s a waste of money that could be spent on upgrading cartridge, platter, etc. unless you just have $$$ burning a hole in ur pocket, then by all means 😎
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    jonicont wrote: »
    My current digital set up--Hard drive with 1600 cd's (flac) and maybe 2 dozen 192 hi-rez files>computer>Squeezebox Touch (cat 5 to the router)>Wyred for Sound Dac1(via coax)>preamp. I'm pretty much 99% vinyl these days (1500 records) and use the digital front end to preview records on Spotify before buying. I'm pretty happy with the way the cd's sound. Will the 851N be a significant improvement or am I just itching for a new toy

    Nothing wrong with itching for a new toy! IMO of course! I just got an 851N, and love it!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,664
    Hardly takes money to burn to pick.up an 851N. The economy is especially good..market hasn't been bad so OP is probably not sweating a med priced toy like the 851N and unless you have owned one and know it's ease of use..hard to advise.
    I'm glad I had one that's no lie.
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
    *****************************
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,048
    edited May 22
    I'm in the same boat as the OP physical media wise literally a few thousand,LP's, CD's SACD's, Cassettes probably a good 1500 digital files, and probably more than I need even got a lot of stuff I haven't listened to yet.

    I do Flac, WAV, MWA lossless, ALAC, some Mp3s whatever I can get my hands on. I stream the files on laptops using the DAC in my Marantz 15S2B, my Oppo 105D, and my Musical Fidelety Dac yeah three rigs that run downloads on laptops.

    I was wanting a Streamer to actually stream those files with a good app on my Samsung Tablet, but mostly for Streaming Tidal, and find out what MQA is all about. I searched for months and changed my mind several times could of spent around 1500 through 2000 on one, but dont really need another Preamp as some of the nicer ones offer nor do I want one with a built in hard drive. I settled on a Bluesound Node2 and couldn't be happier will be adding a NAS to it and I'm done. I will not be purchasing any new physical stuff as I have enough and have just about everything I need. I will be streaming Tidal for the stuff I haven't got or the new stuff coming out.

    I would start with a Bluenode or a Arcam or a Aries mini if you can find one and start there, if you got the available funds go for that 851N, but if you listen to a lot of physical media, I would start with one that would work in your situation, go big if you plan on doing mostly streaming, more budget friendly if you plan on doing both physical and streaming. I don't need anything now that Tidal cant provide me, except for the occasional LP on record store day.
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  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    Tidal for me was a wow moment! It literally opened up a whole universe of music I would never have been exposed to. Known genres to me, or others I just want to check out. Love it! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
  • jonicontjonicont Posts: 224
    Well after deliberating and reading other folks experiences, I felt the CXN would fit my needs. So with the price increase coming, I picked up a refurb (tried to throw Skip some business but unfortunately he couldn't procure one). Ordered on Friday and it came this morning. Not a mark on it. Downloaded the App, hooked it up, and prompted to update the firmware (took 2 minutes). Went through the settings. My library showed up immediately (running Logitech Media Server). Playing 24/192 files and they sound great. More detail and space between the instruments. Slightly more 3D imaging. Connecting to Spotify was a breeze. Don't know if it's better electronics than I had before or the CXN's upscaling algorithim but the MP3's sound really good (for an MP3). More clarity and deeper and tighter bass. The only thing I find odd is no front feet. The front portion of the underside of the chassis protrudes downward (and is covered by a thin rubber strip) to keep the unit level. So the chassis is effectively resting on the shelf. Anyway, very happy with the purchase. Thanks to all who chimed in and for all the info contained in other threads
    SDA 2BTL , DREADNAUGHT, REGA P3-24 (TT-PSU),Groovetracer sub platter, Delrin platter, Origin Live Encounter tonearm, DYNAVECTOR 20X2 LOMC, Rogue Ares Magnum, WYRED 4 SOUND DAC 1, McCormack DNA 0.5 Gold, ARC LS-17se, MIT AVT MA IC'S & SPEAKER CABLESSqueezebox Touch-Wellborne Power
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,570
    Congrats. Great unit.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • verbverb Posts: 7,957
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Congrats. Great unit.

    Love my CXN! And my 851N! :)
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
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