"It's official: Open-Plan Offices Are Now the Dumbest Management Fad of All Time"
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mhardy6647 wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »@mhardy6647 I don't know bullethead but I think I like him.
most of his interesting content at AA gets deleted after a day or so...
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Funny part is, being down in the warehouse my office is bigger than the Commanding Generals office. hehe. Take that, elites!Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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I drive my office around....
I actually do a lot of work in the car. I have to travel a lot, mostly around town to visit suppliers, etc., even on campus. With wifi in the car, I can do a lot of work (not driving of course) like video conferencing, VPN into the work network, etc.
And working from home is becoming more and more common. On Friday's the Mrs and I try to work from home.
The world's a changing, for sure.
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I drive my office around....
I actually do a lot of work in the car. I have to travel a lot, mostly around town to visit suppliers, etc., even on campus. With wifi in the car, I can do a lot of work (not driving of course) like video conferencing, VPN into the work network, etc.
And working from home is becoming more and more common. On Friday's the Mrs and I try to work from home.
The world's a changing, for sure.
Our son-in-law, a public defender, does a fair amount of work out of his vehicle, too (e.g., he spends a fair amount of time en route to and at the county jail )... I got him one of these in an attempt to improve his mobile office.
https://www.duluthtrading.com/cab-commander-2.0-36204.html?dwvar_36204_color=DEV#q=cab+commander&lang=default&start=2
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So I have a cubicle, next to a guy in another cube who is never there. There is a third cube empty from when a peer was never replaced. I think the other remaining guy may retire. If that happens, I am bringing in my tools to work and creating the company's largest cubicle. The cube walls will also be expanded up to the ceiling and Im taking over the entire wall of windows. This way....I will never have to interact or acknowledge anyone in the facility!
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mhardy6647 wrote: »I drive my office around....
I actually do a lot of work in the car. I have to travel a lot, mostly around town to visit suppliers, etc., even on campus. With wifi in the car, I can do a lot of work (not driving of course) like video conferencing, VPN into the work network, etc.
And working from home is becoming more and more common. On Friday's the Mrs and I try to work from home.
The world's a changing, for sure.
Our son-in-law, a public defender, does a fair amount of work out of his vehicle, too (e.g., he spends a fair amount of time en route to and at the county jail )... I got him one of these in an attempt to improve his mobile office.
https://www.duluthtrading.com/cab-commander-2.0-36204.html?dwvar_36204_color=DEV#q=cab+commander&lang=default&start=2
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One of the interesting things about an open floor plan is the general awareness of being disruptive to others around you.
The dorito crunching, soup slurping, loud talking on the phone, other obnoxious behavior, is exposed for all to see. No longer can you hide behind the cubicle walls, and think that nobody notices.
I had a guy on the other side of my cube who would always have phone conversations on speakerphone. Even it was just him! I actually talked to him several times, got an apology, things would settle down for a bit, but then start up again.
In an open floor plan, that type of behavior is exposed, and literally not acceptable.
I've seen newbies to an open floor plan get tapped on the shoulder, and pointed toward the conference room or phone zone, if they were thought to be too loud.Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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I bet an MBA came up with the open floor plan layout. How would you like to have dbryant next to you? LOLLumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD. -
mhardy6647 wrote: »The only irony is that it took someone's hard-won grant money to determine this.
The once wide spread common sense is nowadays rare as a unicorn
Indeed....almost at tragic levels too.
I think this open floor plan idea was so that the supervisors could keep an eye on everyone. Now, they want to eliminate desks as we know them for those stand up models. Can't have you getting fat sitting down all day ya know, healthcare costs money, loss of productivity, time off.
In this respect, I think the Europeans kick our rear ends. They offer up shorter work weeks and give out vacation time like candy. Keeps them from going postal I guess. What do we offer ? Long hours, Bud light and bad weed, fast food and terrible coffee ?HT SYSTEM-
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I think that implementation cost (which is next to nothing -- an empty space and some tables and chairs; heck nowadays "they" don't even need ethernet drops!) is the primary driver, with visibility to management being secondary.
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Believe it or not, when I was in 4th grade (1971'ish?) I went to a brand new "Open concept" school--public school system mind you. It was called Granemann elementary. It was kind of stupid. All carpet, no chairs, no desks, it was suppose to make you feel more like you were at home. We had 2 large "pods." The first pod was 1st thru 3rd graders. Think LARGE circle type affair, no walls between classes. Pod 2 was 4th thru 6th graders. Since you didn't have a desk, there was this large roll-around, and each student had a drawer with their name on it.
I found it uncomfortable. I didn't like trying to write in my lap. After 1 year of that place, I was ready for a conventional school.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
@steveinaz they did that in my school they knocked down the walls between the classrooms. Evidently, they thought that the kids weren't getting dumb enough in the conventional classrooms.
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Believe it or not, when I was in 4th grade (1971'ish?) I went to a brand new "Open concept" school--public school system mind you. It was called Granemann elementary. It was kind of stupid. All carpet, no chairs, no desks, it was suppose to make you feel more like you were at home. We had 2 large "pods." The first pod was 1st thru 3rd graders. Think LARGE circle type affair, no walls between classes. Pod 2 was 4th thru 6th graders. Since you didn't have a desk, there was this large roll-around, and each student had a drawer with their name on it.
I found it uncomfortable. I didn't like trying to write in my lap. After 1 year of that place, I was ready for a conventional school.
I remember thjose -- they were all the rage in MD in the very late 1960s in the public schools.
I, fortunately (from my perspective, and given my personality), managed to avoid them, having gone to private school (not snooty private schools, but private nonetheless).
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In the early 60's I lived in a very small town where the entire 5th and 6th grades were in one room and both taught by the same teacher. One particularly gifted young girl in the 5th grade like me was able to listen, learn and even take the 6th grade tests so she was able to skip the 6th grade the next year. So there are some advantages to the open plan to.
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I was fortunate that we moved after my 4th grade, and my next school was a traditional set-up.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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In my case it was opposite. I came from a traditional 4th grade class where there were many classes and many teachers. Strangely enough I did much better in the open 5th and 6th grade classroom when we moved.
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I saw one of my customers in Austin went to the extreme. Long work surfaces
(double sided) with a 8" frosted glass between you and the guy across.
You had just enough room for your laptop and elbows. Short frosted glass 6"
dividers to your left and right. No assigned seating- just plop down and log
into your phone. Not even a drawer.
Right now I'm in short wall cubes, two to an office. I'm normally out and
about half of each day to different sites across the city.
I couldn't take being there all day every day. Packing people in there is
now the norm. I miss my home office. That and that very short 20 step commute.
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One of the good things about technology, is that it allows many different professions to work from home now. Cuts down on expensive office space, employees save money and are happier too.HT SYSTEM-
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My job had the open space plan. I don't mind it much, I just put on headphones and get to work. I tried the work from home dealio but I can't stay on task and am less efficient.
It can be distracting when people are loud while trying to do some database management but I just turn up the tunes.Just a dude doing dude-ly things
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Next step after this open floor plan with no desks assigned. That can make the floor space even tighter. Seen this in Japan. Come in and choose a desk for the day. Neighbors are almost in arms reach and you need to be super quiet for it to work. Then there's huddle rooms for meetings and phone calls. Yuk.
I have seen an open floor plan that wasn't so bad...in Germany. Long corridor about 40 feet wide. Desks were on each side with a big walkway in the middle. People could then introduce cabinets, plants, other furniture to make makeshift walls. Since people were spaces far apart the noise was minimal. And draconian managers could still see most people at a glance. -
codycatalist wrote: »My job had the open space plan. I don't mind it much, I just put on headphones and get to work.
Headphones mess up my awesome hair.
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If I can work on a plane, in a coffee shop, or at a bar, I could work in an open office. The rest of you are just lazy old farts 🤣Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es; Squeezebox Touch with Bolder Power Supply
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If I can work on a plane, in a coffee shop, or at a bar, I could work in an open office. The rest of you are just lazy old farts 🤣
You must not work in IT where everyone walks up to your desk and pesters you to try and circumvent the helpdesk system.
You're probably one of those people who does that.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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If I can work on a plane, in a coffee shop, or at a bar, I could work in an open office. The rest of you are just lazy old farts 🤣
You must not work in IT where everyone walks up to your desk and pesters you to try and circumvent the helpdesk system.
You're probably one of those people who does that.
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maximillian wrote: »Next step after this open floor plan with no desks assigned.
In fact, that is our new footprint. No assigned desks, meaning no personal items to remain after the day is over.
Wait there's more. They only allocated 80% of desk space, with the assumption that on any given day the remainder of folks will be travelling, out of the office, etc.
Hold's true for me, with my job, cause I travel alot, but it'll be interesting to see how it works out. Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
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Sounds like the first hour will be spent personalizing the unassaigned space, and the last hour packing up personal items. Efficiency is becoming a foreign concept.
