A challenge to the king: Audio Research 5se vs Cary SLP05

A challenge has been decreed.

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Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,902
    I'll take the Cary for the win.
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  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,651
    I'll be interested in your thoughts....
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Pass Labs XP22 trounces both for the win.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    Last night my wife told me you have a new preamp? I said yeah kind of.

    She said don’t be coming to bed at 5am now.

    I went to bed at 6am.

    :(
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,474
    edited February 2019
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Last night my wife told me you have a new preamp? I said yeah kind of.

    She said don’t be coming to bed at 5am now.

    I went to bed at 6am.

    :(

    Hmmm looks like you may of canceled the next few appointments at the Y :*
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,557
    Wildcard: Rotel for the unexpected win.
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    Will need to do more listening tonight to confirm thoughts. But definitely one is winning.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Cary by a field goal! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,084
    I'd like dibs on Cary if she's out the door!!
    AC Regenerator PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Source Lumin U1 Mini into Lampi Baltic 4
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Power Rogue M180 Dark monos
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Rythmik F12
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    Moar testing required in the lab...
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,707
    AR cleaner, Cary warmer.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    F1nut wrote: »
    AR cleaner, Cary warmer.

    Pass Labs... Both clearer and warmer. B)o:)
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,707
    F1nut wrote: »
    AR cleaner, Cary warmer.

    Pass Labs... Both clearer and warmer. B)o:)

    No toobs
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Welcome to the 21st century. :)
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Tubes still have their place, but I have found the opposite of conventional wisdom works best for me. I prefer tube power and solid state preamps to the combination of solid state power and tubed pre.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    Ok, I am done with my demo.

    I have a winner.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,902
    Uh......your suppose to announce the winner after that statement.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    So, I have listened for several sessions now.

    I went back to my room tonight to confirm. Emma (my 4 year old) and I listened to Disney Soundtracks via Tidal, and keep in mind it is only through a Bluesound Node 2 streamer.

    But I have confirmed, I feel like the Audio Research 5se is a better preamp for my system with the Boulder amplifier. I did not think I was going to move from the Cary SLP05 for a long time, but after this demo of the ARC, it is the right thing to do.

    I have not been this enamored by my system in forever. It sounds correct now, it is no wonder there have been many pairings of an ARC preamp with a Boulder amp (the combo of choice of the local dealer Audio Concepts on Wilsons, the other combo is D'agostinos).

    I am very impressed with the ARC 5se, the whole reproduction is just more cohesive and more inline with what I expected out of my system.

    The imaging is denser. The midrange may not have that bloom on the Cary SLP05, but it is still very present. The bass, oh my, the bass is SIGNIFICANTLY better.... to the point where I am questioning whether I even need a subwoofer (JL Audio anyone?).

    The imaging is better, there is better sense of space BEHIND the singer. It is freaky.

    When I listened to the system with Emma... it is far above, head and shoulders above, any of my other 2 system (the Sonus Fabers downstairs and the Focal Kanta 2 upstairs)... it's almost embarrassing how far better the main system truly is now.

    I am very close to my ideal sound reproduction. I am not even sure if I want to get a preamp better than this ARC 5se, I know I have been eyeing the ARC 6 or the 40th Anniversary dual box or the ARC 10 dual box... but I'm not sure I need anything better than the 5se.

    It's that good.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,084
    tony wrote: »
    You ARE suppose to announce the winner after that statement.

    WAITING (with baited breath) Big Dogg
    F1nut wrote: »
    AR cleaner, Cary warmer.

    Did The Almighty get it right . . . Me thinks he's close!
    AC Regenerator PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Source Lumin U1 Mini into Lampi Baltic 4
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Power Rogue M180 Dark monos
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Rythmik F12
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    I feel like I have truly hit the summit for my ears. It is so good, I feel like a little kid that I have to pinch myself that I actually own a system THIS good.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    For some reason I can't edit my posts... last train of thought.

    I have been doing this for 18 years now, since I was 18 years old.

    This is the ultimate system for me. I have to pinch myself that the system is actually this good.

    I still have a few more things to do, the room needs a few more treatments and diffusors. And I am not sure if I need subs anymore.

    The speakers are definitely not going anywhere.... I will wait for the next generation of speakers before I even think about moving up.

    I have no inkling to change anything significant and have no speaker envy at this time (and none for the past 2 years).
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I feel like I have truly hit the summit for my ears. It is so good, I feel like a little kid that I have to pinch myself that I actually own a system THIS good.
    That is exactly what the Pass has brought to my rig as well. Glad you have found a combination that works. (for now) >:)
    The Pass Xs should be on your search list.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    The Pass XS will be on the radar in the future. Maybe when I turn 40.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Joey_V wrote: »
    The Pass XS will be on the radar in the future. Maybe when I turn 40.

    You aren't exactly a spring chicken anymore you know... :p
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    There's 2 camps of thought.

    You only live once, push it to the limit.

    I am content... why push it?

    I am in the 2nd camp... I knew there was some deficit with my system up to recently... but I am still in disbelief that a preamp change corrected 90% of them.

    Hmmm...

    ... everything matters in this hobby.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    I believe the preamplifier may be the single most important piece of the puzzle. While it is very true that the preamp can only work with what it gets from the source, and that the source is important to, it is the preamp that is the final arbiter of what goes out to the amp.


    I don't care for tube preamps because they tend to add their own flavor to a recording, which can be tailored even further by tube rolling and such. While that may be fine for most, I prefer to preserve the purity of signal from source through the preamp. I believe this has helped bring out the most from my tube amps. They add warmth and texture to the sound without the overly lush and laid-back sound an all tube setup is capable of.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    You could be right and a SS high end preamp might be the way to go, but the cost of a accompanying Boulder preamp is $25,000 used.

    And that’s more than I can spend on a preamp at this time.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,505
    I did try the tube amp route. It was not a match against the Boulder but again I have not heard a majority of tube amps out there so I don’t know.
    Magico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound
  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,084
    Joey_V wrote: »

    I am very close to my ideal sound reproduction. I am not even sure if I want to get a preamp better than this ARC 5se, I know I have been eyeing the ARC 6 or the 40th Anniversary dual box or the ARC 10 dual box... but I'm not sure I need anything better than the 5se.

    I can dig your conundrum, 1st world troubles . . . Rabbit Hole City

    PM me bout the Sweet Little Pre, Bro
    AC Regenerator PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
    Source Lumin U1 Mini into Lampi Baltic 4
    Pre Cary SLP-05
    Power Rogue M180 Dark monos
    Mains Salk HT2-TL
    Rythmik F12
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Joey_V wrote: »
    You could be right and a SS high end preamp might be the way to go, but the cost of a accompanying Boulder preamp is $25,000 used.

    And that’s more than I can spend on a preamp at this time.

    High end Tube Amps and High end SS Pre... My dream combination would be this...


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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson