Car Fuel Consumption Anomoly

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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,132
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Tony, no he meant the station tanks.
    I do also remember fueling up Sunday with the pump on the low speed because I heard somewhere this stirs up less particulate matter in the main station tanks to be pumped into your car.

    The owner of my biggest client for 15yrs also some of the biggest gas stations in north America will tell you to wait 15min after the tanker leaves. They have a very strict maintenance policy, and the maintenance moto is "PAY now Pay later but your going to pay" which means they do their absolute best to keep tanks and dispensers clean as possible with premium filters and maintenance.

    Anyway as much as they try water and debris end up in tanks. Water in the tanks is from the condensation from mother nature. Air space combined with hot/warm ground and concrete heating and cooling causes the condensation.
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  • oldmodman
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    You have a co-worker that is messing with you.
    They are adding gas to your tank until you have bragged ferociously about your amazing gas mileage.
    Then they are going to start siphoning a little bit of gas each day until you are devastated by your horrible gas mileage.
    At least that's what I did and it worked perfectly. >:)
  • mrbiron
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    Company gas card.....never looks back! ;)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,053
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    As an aside.

    Mrs H's much beloved 2005 Ford Escape hybrid "4WD" was averaging 31.2 mpg at the time it was put out to pasture in July (with 246k miles).

    Her new 2013 Honda CR-V "AWD" (non-hybrid), a larger, heavier, more powerful and altogether nicer vehicle, as of this writing is averaging 30.1 mpg

    Both of these, I think, are pretty impressive for modest yet still fairly capable vehicles for Northern New England. The latter figure reflects, I suppose, the true progress in performance that's been effected in automobiles even in the past decade or so.

  • pitdogg2
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    tonyb wrote: »
    I think he means stirring up stuff in the cars tank Jess. Over time junk sits in the bottom of the tank and if your the type to wait until the light goes on warning you to fill up, your sucking in some of that junk possibly. Gas filters catch it, but what happens when that fuel filter starts to get clogged ? Less mileage maybe ?

    I always fill up at a quarter tank to avoid that scenario, but the wife will drive it to the last drop. A losing battle.....

    Tony the pick up for gas is on the bottom so no matter whether you have 1/2 tank or 1/4 or darn near empty the pick up is on the bottom if you have crud in your tank it will pick it up even with a full tank. I remember a heated discussion with my dad about water in the gas tank. His thought was that if you kept your tank full it would not be a problem, until one day when i tossed out this question. When you spill gas in the lake why don't it sink to the bottom? That look I got was PRICELESS suddenly his analogy didn't quit hold water pun intended :p

  • tonyb
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    I hear ya man, but think of it like this. When you drink a soda with a straw, your sucking from the bottom, so anything that may be floating in it has to wait until your low on soda to get sucked up. Would not the same philosophy work for gas tanks ?

    Now granted, you have small particles of junk in the tank, and bigger ones, rust that sits on the bottom that may get jarred lose just from vibrations and bumps in the road too. The idea is to not let the tank get low enough to suck up what was floating in it, just like the soda analogy. Obviously you can't avoid all the junk in the tank.

    What jerks my chain is that too many car makers are now putting the filters inside the gas tanks so you have to drop the tank to change it. I'm thinking they did this to put the filter before the pump instead of after like the inline filters of years ago. Still, the design is piss poor and they make it that way so the average joe can't work on their cars themselves anymore.
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  • heiney9
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    edited September 2016
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    Many new car tanks are of a non-metal material so the rust, and internal deterioration isn't a thing anymore. I'd say it's a pretty piss poor design if you can't run the tank below 1/4 full without damaging the pump. But, I also don't put any trust in manufacturers and designer's today. The almighty dollar rules and any short cut they think they can get away with...........they will. So anything is possible.

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    P.s. there also shouldn't be any contaminants in tanks that can "settle" to the bottom. Especially since we are talking about newer cars, not classics that have been around for a couple decades.

    P.s.s I suppose it's possible the station you get gas from could introduce contaminants into the tank, but I'm not convinced this is a major problem.
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  • mikeyb128
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    I think the running the tank low and ruining the fuel pump is a thing of the past. I'm not sure about all manufacturers, but vw/Audi/Porsche/bmw/Mercedes to name a few use what's known as a surge tank, which is essentially a small compartment of fuel that houses the pump. This compartment is always full of fuel around the pump, this also prevents air in the lines and fuel starvation when the fuel tank is low, and when the fuel is sloshing around in the tank (i.e. Cornering). I guess unless you like to run out of fuel all the time.
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  • nguyendot
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    I run to the fuel light every week too, but that's like 1/7th of a tank left. I wish I got remotely anything over 20mpg. I average 16-18 whether I baby it or lead food it.
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  • charley95
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    Little bit of a drift here but, I have problems with some of the middle eastern owned gas stations. I always use BP that's known to me just around the corner from me. I sometimes make it a point to speak to the tanker drivers that make deliveries to stations. Next time you see one, just ask the driver what some of their experiences have been with these dealers! I won't say anything more. Here in Illinois it's very common for a dealer to be indicted for tax evasion.
  • BlueFox
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    I always run my gas to empty before refilling. My previous car worked fine for 17 years, and the current car is 12 years old. The biggest problem with running low is that there might be an earthquake, and I get caught with no gas, and no working stations.
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,840
    edited September 2016
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    kevhed72 wrote: »
    While I have no mileage data to back up my observations....my fuel gauge finally hit a quarter of a tank today. I actually thought perhaps the gauge was broke and worried I was going to run out of gas somewhere. I was sure to fill up at the same station and same pump, on low speed, to see what happens with this tank. Perhaps a drop in the humidity has an effect on turbocharged engines....

    Cooler drier air is better for all engines, boosted engines see this more though. When it is cooler, it's denser, so the oxygen concerned traction is increased, resulting in a more efficient burn. Humidity is a higher content of water vapor, which will displace oxygen as well as other gases in the air, so lower humidity will help as well. The reason people believe cold air intakes make such a huge difference, but most fail to install them in a way where you get cooler air over the stock intake, or run it right against or near hot components. This will result in minor decreases in power and mileage. I have a 93 escort wagon, and driving g like a young kids around do ventura county, I average about 22, on the gas from the exchange or arco, but when I road trip to Seattle, on the 5, I can get it to damn near 40. I usually buy a chevron during the road trip, and choose my grade basedo on how much they are charging in the area. It seems to run best on mid grade, but if I bought low grade because of how much fuel was at my last stop, I'll put premium in around a quarter tank, and try to keep it balanced. I notice that around 70-75 mph, I get awesome mileage, 80 or more, it starts dropping quick. My engine fan also doesn't work, so I have to run the ac to keep it on, but my ac doesn't work either, the compressor won't kick on. I also replaced my clutch, which helped a lot, and new, good tires help too. I rebuilt my head last February and have the made the trip yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing how clean valves, good gaskets(head leaked, exhaust leaked), a working thermostat, new belts, new ignition system (coil pack, control module, plugs, leads) coolant flush, clean cylinders, new fuel filter, and vacuum leak fixed. I feel it should yield some positive results. I'm rebuilding my suspension in the next couple months which should help a little too, as a rear spring is broken. May drop my fuel tank and clean it out. Make sure you guys keep your air filter clean and your oil changed at regular intervals, helps a lot with fuel consumption.
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  • seabeerob213
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    charley95 wrote: »
    nbrowser wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I always fill up at a quarter tank to avoid that scenario,

    Also keeps the pump itself submerged in cooling gasoline extending the life of the pump itself. We always tell customers of this when they've had a failure and we usually get the truth easily, most times when we replace said pump in a near empty tank.
    Well said! Most people don't realize the effects of continuing to run their tank near empty that shortens the life of the pump. I never go below a 1/4 tank and most times fill up at 1/2 a tank.

    This isn't true on all vehicles, as not all fuel pumps are in the tank, still a good practice though, as when it's low you can start to suck up sediment in the tank.
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  • motorhead43026
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    When my fuel light comes on I go another 50 miles. Only then do I stop to refuel.
    The last fuel pump I replaced was a 1967 Pontiac Catalina....lol.
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  • mhardy6647
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    I always run my gas to empty before refilling. My previous car worked fine for 17 years, and the current car is 12 years old. The biggest problem with running low is that there might be an earthquake, and I get caught with no gas, and no working stations.

    heh -- you forgot also "no power, no bridges, no infrastructure" :)

    I say this as a proud survivor of Loma Prieta (1989) ;)
  • tonyb
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    When my fuel light comes on I go another 50 miles. Only then do I stop to refuel.
    The last fuel pump I replaced was a 1967 Pontiac Catalina....lol.

    Hey, I had one of those too. Great dependable car I bought for 800 bucks. Built like a tank too and went thru snow like a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Man, I miss those late 60's cars.

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