Finally converted to server based music

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  • polk500polk500 Posts: 1,181
    edited March 2014
    Question what program/ software are you using to rip with?

    One of things I've notice since I when this route is the flaws with iTunes lossless.

    Never noticed it when running SB touch but certainty can on some tracks with the Jrivers
    .

    Cheers
    Roger
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 7,169
    edited March 2014
    Remember, a DAC is basically just a CDP without the transport section, stands to reason that at a given price a DAC will sound better because it has less components and the stuff that is in there should be higher quality.

    Don't mean to nit pick, but a CD player provides clock and data separate via an I2S bus to the internal DAC chip. The output for a player is SPDIF which has clock and data combined and must be sorted out by an external DAC's chip. External DAC's are usually connected with SPDIF, unless they have a USB to I2S module. There is a difference between I2S and SPDIF and some will prefer one over the other. Generally I find I2S to be cleaner and more accurate than SPDIF even with an ESS Sabre DAC chip. SPDIF SQ depends on how well the DAC chip decodes SPDIF. Also reclocking the I2S or SPDIF before handing it off to the DAC chip can result in better SQ for both.

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    polk500 wrote: »
    Question what program/ software are you using to rip with?

    One of things I've notice since I when this route is the flaws with iTunes lossless.

    Never noticed it when running SB touch but certainty can on some tracks with the Jrivers
    .

    Cheers
    Roger

    Jriver. All CD's are being ripped as FLAC.
  • polk500polk500 Posts: 1,181
    edited March 2014
    Thanks Dskip, This morning before work I was playing a couples of tunes and it dawned on me that you probably used Jriver...

    Sorry to to bother you with such a duh question some days it's a wonder that I can walk and breath at the same time...

    Cheers
    Roger
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,444
    edited March 2014
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Like anything, done well will sound better than not done as well.

    Words to live by....amen Rich.
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  • StantonZStantonZ Posts: 393
    edited March 2014
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Don't mean to nit pick, but a CD player provides clock and data separate via an I2S bus to the internal DAC chip. The output for a player is SPDIF which has clock and data combined and must be sorted out by an external DAC's chip. External DAC's are usually connected with SPDIF, unless they have a USB to I2S module. There is a difference between I2S and SPDIF and some will prefer one over the other.

    This is exactly what I have been trying to sort out. I recently built a (cheap) media server out of a laptop, etc. (see another thread in this forum), and specifically used a "special" PCMCIA card with SPDIF (coax) out for the very reason that I didn't want to mess with USB and the associated clocking issues. I run that digital out directly to my amp's digital in and (to my surprise) it sounds so good I can't tell the difference between the hard-drive (FLAC) output and CD player output (obviously both use the same DACs in the amp). I would assume that it would take an external USB/DAC combo >> than the $100 I spent on the PCMCIA card to produce similar audio quality.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited March 2014
    Getting audio out of a computer can be tricky. It's not really that difficult, but needs to be done correctly to get optimal results. I've tested on several DACs and even with what are generally considered to be very good converters I get equal or better sound when streaming from a USB drive attached directly to the machine. The Oppo interface for the iPad isn't as pretty as JRomote or the Apple Remote interface, but it's functional and simple and the sound is marginally better so I use it.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    Can Jremote select the Oppo as a device?
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited March 2014
    I believe so. You set up the Oppo as a zone in JRiver, this is a one time thing when you first set it up, then can select to play back to whatever zone you want. I know the zone thing works for sure, what I can't remember offhand is if you can select the zone in JRemote or if that has to be done in the software itself.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    That might be a better alternative for me then than going out and dropping big coin on a nice USB cable.
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited March 2014
    If you plan to get the Oppo then I'd say so. When you stream from something like JRiver it can be more complicated for the initial setup and configuration and it relies on a robust network, but once you've got it working it's a great solution IMO. You get all the conveniences of a computer based solution and don't have to deal with any of the common issues of playing directly from a computer (noise, USB issues, etc).
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    If you plan to get the Oppo then I'd say so. When you stream from something like JRiver it can be more complicated for the initial setup and configuration and it relies on a robust network, but once you've got it working it's a great solution IMO. You get all the conveniences of a computer based solution and don't have to deal with any of the common issues of playing directly from a computer (noise, USB issues, etc).

    Just looked up and saw people using jriver to control it. I might have an Oppo 105D by the end of the week.
  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 4,890
    edited March 2014
    ok-that looks to be the swiss army knife of playback.
    So the 105 allows you to connect a usb drive full of music and use the oppo interface for playback.
    or connect a computer via usb. And just about any other combo you could imagine.
    I think it looks to be a winner!
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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, you have lots of options with the 105, and on top of all that it sounds superb!
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    ok-that looks to be the swiss army knife of playback.
    So the 105 allows you to connect a usb drive full of music and use the oppo interface for playback.
    or connect a computer via usb. And just about any other combo you could imagine.
    I think it looks to be a winner!

    The 105 has been on my list since it was released, but I decided to get my monoblocks and preamp when I got the funds about a year ago. I'm content with my DAC right now, but thinking about getting the most out of my source now and the 105D is making the most sense from an all-around perspective.
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, based on what we heard when we compared the two side by side, I don't think the sound of the Oppo is better enough to justify spending the extra $1200. I think it is a small step up and obviously the higher up you go the more you pay to get those small increments in sound quality, but even with that if I already had your DAC for free I would have a hard time spending the money on the Oppo just for the small improvement in sound.

    Now when you factor in all the other crap the Oppo does and the fact that I can have everything in one player...that's where the picture starts to change and for me personally the blend of that convenience without a compromise in sound quality is worth the price.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    edited March 2014
    Suffice it to say that I won't be paying full retail for the Oppo, making it a much more appealing option (I know Danny, shocker). The freedom the Oppo allows me in setup is phenomenal right now and THAT is what put it back on the map. I was looking at dropping several $$$ on a USB cable, but I think rolling that money into an Oppo is a better deal as it eliminates the need for my computer to even be in the same room as my rig. The video performance is also a big plus since I'm running such a big screen.
  • RamZetRamZet Posts: 776
    edited March 2014
    check out this audio server I made for $56 bucks, http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?159342-DIY-HiFi-Raspberry-Pi-Music-Server.

    Used a Raspberry Pi for the hardware, Volmunio for the software and a USB DAC for sound. (DAC price not included in that 56 bucks b/c I already had one.)

    Best part is the power use, 5v 1amp!
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