whatever happen to Blu ray music?

danger boy
danger boy Posts: 15,722
edited December 2012 in Music & Movies
if my memory is still good.. wasn't there talk about producing music only blu ray discs a few years ago? anyone hear anything about that?

i could see it taking off.. it could be hi def 2ch or multi channel music.. much like the old DVD-Audio was..
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited December 2012
    SACD happened.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2012
    There is plenty and more is coming. Go to Amazon and search Bluray music.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited December 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    There is plenty and more is coming. Go to Amazon and search Bluray music.

    Those are video Blu-rays. Al was asking about music only Blu-rays, no video. While there are a few, a very few, it's not going anywhere.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited December 2012
    I dont think anything could be gained as there is plenty of storage on a CD for the 16bitPCM 44.1 mhz sampling. Which is considerd full bitrate lossless audio for 2ch. They could add more channels but this has already been done the mentioned SACD OR DVD-A.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited December 2012
    jeremymarcinko wrote: »
    I dont think anything could be gained as there is plenty of storage on a CD for the 16bitPCM 44.1 mhz sampling. Which is considerd full bitrate lossless audio for 2ch. They could add more channels but this has already been done the mentioned SACD OR DVD-A.

    Actually no. A CD is maxed out for storage, and since it is a standard, it cannot be increased. If you added more channels then the playing time of a CD would drastically decrease. Also, 16bitPCM 44.1 mhz is now the lowest standard for lossless files. High res files require more storage space, which prevents a CD from being used for them. Hence we have SACD, DVD-A, and Bluray disc formats.

    Personally, I think we will continue to see Bluray used for high-res video concerts, along with multi-channel high-res music only, and high-res downloads becoming more and more the standard for two-channel.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2012
    SACD absolutely sounds better than Blu-Ray Audio and DVD-Audio. I have heard titles in all 3 formats. Both on paper (1 Bit, 2.8 MHz) versus 24 Bit, 196 kHz (at best) and in listening the SACD wins. This is one of the reasons Blu-Ray Audio is not going anywhere.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,731
    edited December 2012
    headrott wrote: »
    SACD absolutely sounds better than Blu-Ray Audio and DVD-Audio. I have heard titles in all 3 formats. Both on paper (1 Bit, 2.8 MHz) versus 24 Bit, 196 kHz (at best) and in listening the SACD wins. This is one of the reasons Blu-Ray Audio is not going anywhere.

    Was the same player used? Also, I would have to think that the mastering for the sacd vs. the blu-ray would also play a large roll in overall sound quality.

    I think if done properly, Blu-ray should be able to sound just as good as sacd.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,731
    edited December 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    SACD happened.

    However, hardware support for blu-ray > sacd.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited December 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Actually no. A CD is maxed out for storage, and since it is a standard, it cannot be increased. If you added more channels then the playing time of a CD would drastically decrease. Also, 16bitPCM 44.1 mhz is now the lowest standard for lossless files. High res files require more storage space, which prevents a CD from being used for them. Hence we have SACD, DVD-A, and Bluray disc formats.

    Personally, I think we will continue to see Bluray used for high-res video concerts, along with multi-channel high-res music only, and high-res downloads becoming more and more the standard for two-channel.

    This was my point the extra storage on a bluray would allow multichannel. A cd's capacity is maxed at two channels pcm. I think the higher resolution of two channel audio that bluray could employ would be unrealized on most consumer grade equipment. I sure they could sell it to many though.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,928
    edited December 2012
    headrott wrote: »
    SACD absolutely sounds better than Blu-Ray Audio and DVD-Audio. I have heard titles in all 3 formats

    well I have several titles on SACD and DVD-Audio.
    Elton John, Deep Purple and Dire Straites to me all the DVD-Audio's sound a little better. Trust me I AM NOT saying SACD's sound bad they sound great it's just different in that way.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2012
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    Was the same player used? Also, I would have to think that the mastering for the sacd vs. the blu-ray would also play a large roll in overall sound quality.

    I think if done properly, Blu-ray should be able to sound just as good as sacd.

    Yes, all were played using a Denon A1UDCI universal player. I agree that mastering affectes how an SACD, Blu-Ray Audio, and DVD-Audio sounds when comaparing. Of course the same albums were not used as (as far as I know) there are not the same two albums on both SACD and Blu-Ray Audio as there are so few Blu-Ray Audio discs, but see below.
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    well I have several titles on SACD and DVD-Audio.
    Elton John, Deep Purple and Dire Straites to me all the DVD-Audio's sound a little better. Trust me I AM NOT saying SACD's sound bad they sound great it's just different in that way.

    The resolution of DVD-Audio and Blu-Ray Audio (which is the same resolution for both formats) is lower than SACD, and this is the reason I said both on paper and in listening tests the SACD sounds better. I have directly compared Beck's "Sea Change" (as one example)on DVD-Audio and SACD; the SACD (to my ears) wins. There is greater smoothness and warmth to audio on the SACD.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited December 2012
    i'm shocked that the new 35th anny Clapton is DVD-A and not SACD.What's that about?
    I have and like DVD-A but i don't recall a major release of a rock artist on it in years.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,928
    edited December 2012
    brgman wrote: »
    i'm shocked that the new 35th anny Clapton is DVD-A and not SACD.What's that about?
    I have and like DVD-A but i don't recall a major release of a rock artist on it in years.

    Rush issued Moving pictures last year DVD-A. I wish Warner Bro. studio would of released all they said there were going to on DVD-A was a pretty good selection of better stuff than just Classical and blues of artist that have been long gone.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited December 2012
    RUSH 2112 comes out on Blu-Ray audio in 2 weeks.And i also got the LZ Celebration day on BR Audio so there are some still doing this.
    Now that i think of it the Tull TAAB 40th is on BR Audio i believe.
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