It's a poll, baby!!!!!!!!

dragon1952 · May 2004

The post in question is NOT contradictory, you just didn't read it.

:rolleyes:

Please don't insult my intelligence. I politely expressed my opinion and I believe I actually said "seems a little contradictory", and did so, I might add, without attacking the person's intelligence and/or reading and comprehension skills.
To say that if 'someone wanted to shop ebay he wouldn't be looking in the Flea Market to begin with', and also go on to say 'everyone knows where ebay is' but then go on to say 'it's OK to point someone to ebay' seems contradictory TO ME.
Why, you ask? Let me break it down.
Here's me on Club Polk and you come in to the Flea Market and say "Hey, anybody got a So-and-So amp for sale?"
Let's say I have the same views as the poster in question which are:
1) if someone wanted to shop ebay he wouldn't be looking in the Flea Market to begin with
and,
2) everyone knows where ebay is anyway

but, even though those are my views, I say "Here's one on ebay"

That's not contradictory????

Not even a little???
Hmmmm!

Jstas · May 2004

Originally posted by Airplay355
u guys do realize that just because u dont want ppl to post ebay auctions in the forums doesnt mean its gonna happen right?

Uh, you can't stop everyone, that's a given. Give us some credit here. We aren't going to win the war on crime, should we retire all the police officers and just let it happen? It's gonna happen. Saying something about it to people who do it is the only way to limit it to a minimum amount.

If they do post, you can tell them that the practice is not looked upon well here and hopefully they get the hint.

Lastly, no one said they COULDN'T post auctions here, they just didn't want to see certain kinds posted here. This is a forum for doing business among members, between members. There is no middle man like eBay or audiogon here. Post a link to an auction for those who might be interested. Then they can contact that seller themselves. If you want to sell something here, post it yourself first. This isn't a consignment shop. If you are going to post your ebay auctions to get us to bid on them and eBay gets to collect fees, Polk Audio/Club Polk should get to collect listing fees too. It's only fair.

Simple idea, sell and buy here face to face and honestly, there is no problem. Sell here through a middle man and/or dishonestly and we'll have a problem.

dragon1952 · May 2004

I Just think the person could have been informed with more tact. A polite suggestion in a response or a PM maybe. We don't have to be **** about it. The initial response to this person was rude and arrogant.

amulford · May 2004

No, if you are a member and you want to sell here, then sell here. No competing or bidding

Jstas · May 2004

Originally posted by dragon1952
:rolleyes:

Please don't insult my intelligence. I politely expressed my opinion and I believe I actually said "seems a little contradictory", and did so, I might add, without attacking the person's intelligence and/or reading and comprehension skills.
To say that if 'someone wanted to shop ebay he wouldn't be looking in the Flea Market to begin with', and also go on to say 'everyone knows where ebay is' but then go on to say 'it's OK to point someone to ebay' seems contradictory TO ME.
Why, you ask? Let me break it down.
Here's me on Club Polk and you come in to the Flea Market and say "Hey, anybody got a So-and-So amp for sale?"
Let's say I have the same views as the poster in question which are:
1) if someone wanted to shop ebay he wouldn't be looking in the Flea Market to begin with
and,
2) everyone knows where ebay is anyway

but, even though those are my views, I say "Here's one on ebay"

That's not contradictory???? Not even a little???
Hmmmm!

Reading is not synonmous with intelligence.

That said, you are using YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS to argue a point that is not relevant to argument posed to you.

You have left out important parts from the original posts, in both your posts. I have done the same and I shouldn't have. You have taken the quotes out of context and are now building a case against those quotes taken out of context. The meanings are slowly being mutated into something that cannot be argued. BEFORE you go any farther with your fallacy, take a minute to not only read but understand what is being said by the people in this thread.

The original quote concerning the shopping on eBay was meant to say that if everyone listed things on eBay and the posts were nothing but eBay links, why bother with a Flea Market at all? If they wanted to go to eBay, they would have gone there instead of the Flea Market.

The second post said: "On the other hand, I think it's OK to post a link to an auction in an effort to help someone out who can't find a particular item in the Flea Market."

Operative words there being "can't find a particular item in the Flea Market! That means that eventhough the person came here looking for something, the limited number of people buying and selling here may not have what they are looking for. In that case, give them a link to a possible auction on eBay where they WILL find what they are looking for. If the item isn't for sale here then it is simply not available here. You can't change that unless someone miraculously produces it from thier aft regions. So what's the next best thing? Help the dude find what he is looking for. If it's on eBay, it's on eBay. When you exhaust one resource, go to another one. All anyone is saying is if you want to use this resource, exhaust it first.

Is it really that hard to understand or do you want to take more quotes out of context and blow thier meanings out of proportions and totally bastardized the original intent?

Jstas · May 2004

Originally posted by dragon1952
I Just think the person could have been informed with more tact. A polite suggestion in a response or a PM maybe. We don't have to be **** about it. The initial response to this person was rude and arrogant.

Well that may be but you and others here have responded wrongly. If you don't like the spirit behind teh response, challenge the responder, NOT the rules. If you think the responder was arrogant say so. Tell him/her that that response wasn't cool and then tell the new/offending person in a way that you see appropriate.

You people gotta start focusing on the real point in your arguments cause this BS goes on far to long. It's like a bunch of babies whining and crying about all the stupid, lame reasons that mommy shouldn't have taken thier bottle away. Get over yourselves. This is one of the few places on the Intarweb where you should be able to leave your preconceptions and trepidations at the door.

dragon1952 · May 2004

Christ, I could be arguing with a frickin' teenager! That would explain a bunch.
:rolleyes:

trubluluc · May 2004

I think out of respect for the Polk community, if you are a viable member of this community, you should post your stuff here first and give your polk pardners first crack.
If you are unable to sell it here after a fair amount of time, say 2weeks,
then yes, you can move it to ebay and let others here know about it.

I think we all want to avoid having non-member types signing up so they can make one post to list their stuff here,
then dissapear.

-Luc

F1nut · May 2004

Dragon,

You sir, are way out of line. Jstas has responded and made his points in a mature, adult fashion. You don't have to agree with him or me, but no need for the last comment.

F1

amulford · May 2004

I agree with you, trubluc, but only if the items were posted here first. It's just the people who post it to Ebay and THEN give the links here that crawl up my ****.

Dragon, Keep it adult or shut the f#ck up, OK???

So far the nays have it...

dragon1952 · May 2004

Jstas has responded and made his points in a mature, adult fashion.

No he didn't....that's my whole problem. May I suggest you re-read the exchange. As for my last comment, if you've ever raised teenagers maybe you'd understand.

dragon1952 · May 2004

Dragon, Keep it adult or shut the f#ck up, OK???

Adult? Look who's talking.

F1nut · May 2004

Thought for the day.........

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

dragon1952 · May 2004

F1....
That is a great quote that I shall remember the next time I start debating with someone online....thank you very much!

dragon1952 · May 2004

OK.....now that that's over , how about the poll? All 60 of us have voted and the Marines have overwhelmed the insurgents. What now?

jcaut · May 2004

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

I vote that we make THAT a sticky:D

brettw22 · May 2004

You guys are WAY overthinking/overtalking this. The reason I didn't provide 10 different options in the poll choices is it's a simple question.

There's reasoning behind those answers, but I don't see the need to debate the debate to debate the debate........

YES, or NO.......

(Personally, I voted NO based on the respect issue......)

Crystalclear · May 2004

I voted NO.When I first joined with you guys I very mpressed by the way you look out for each other.For example:I was dealing with a Newbie awhile ago that was selling alot of POLK speakers.I was about to send him $800 the next day for the speakers.Right before I could that I was contacted by another MEMBER here about this guy.He infact told me that he was simply selling the speakers to the highest bidder and locking up the same deal over and over.YIKES!If it wasnt for the this member looking out for me and other members we would have been SCAMMED.This is the first site I have ever seen where members look out for each other.With that I would say this is a CLUB!When I see the links for a HEADS-UP thats ok with me but when people list there auctions here its a waist of our time.I think we keep EBAY auction AD'S out of here!:D

Tour2ma · May 2004

Yup, folks look out for folks here. Makes this Club a community.

The folks that give their time to the Forum are the same ones that offer the true deals in the Flea Market.

Newb's that aren't invested in the Club aren't going to have the same altruistic approach to selling here. So if they should just drop an ebay link, it doesn't offend me, but it doesn't endear them to me either.

F1nut · May 2004

I sure as hell hope that those 30 voting YES in this poll understand exactly what they are voting for and that they have taken the time to read though all the posts as to why NO is the way it's been and should remain!!!

I can't believe that 30 people want the Polk Audio Flea Market to become an advertising spot for any Tom, Dick or Harry eBay auction. Come on people....wake up and smell the God Damn coffee...geez!!! :rolleyes:

braveheart · May 2004

Having had some successful transactions with eBay regarding Polk speakers, I think its good as another way of getting them so its good to have them as a backup or alternative and I have seen some links given as a heads up for people who cant find what they need here. These are good things for all Polk fans. I have yet to buy anything off the flea market forum but I do look with interest and have tried but with the good deals offered they go quick. I also see that the people here are honest and try to help each other out so,I do feel though that maybe trying to sell them here first for say 2 weeks before listing them on eBay as a courtesy to the forum members is a good policy to adopt.

PolkWannabie · May 2004

F1,

Not to worry ... It's a poll ... not a policy change ... Polk had no stance on the matter before the poll and I can't imagine they'll actually have one after the poll.

danger boy · May 2004

the gap seems to be closing.

George Grand · May 2004

I don't know which way it's closing, but I'll be happy to cast a "NO" vote to ebay ads hawking your own stuff. It doesn't seem to be the proper thing to do, and I've felt that way for quite some time.

Unless of course ebay wished to pay Polk for the advertising, or individuals wanted to pay Polk for advertising ebay.

"Hey you're my internet friend. Want to bid on some stuff that I have on ebay, so that I get the best possible price?"

That's got a real nice ring to it, wouldn't you say?

George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)

BobMcG · May 2004

I have to say no too, as the vote is yes or no. Not yes or no or sometimes. This vote is black & white. Is the subject that clear cut?

That aside:

In my experiance, we've taken pretty good care of each other in here for years. Even well before the first generation of the "new" Polk Club was developed. Friends doing things for friends. That's one of the reasons there have been some very tight relationships developed in here.
A common way to convey to someone looking for an item that wasn't listed in the fleamarket that you had a lead on was to simply email them and give them a heads up. Then the PM method became another available tool to use too.

Now this may be just my way of shopping but whenever I'm looking for something I use a little initiative and check all the popular markets including the Fleamarket and eBay and will often do a search too. Like I said that's me.

I can see the argument for indicating that an item that didn't sell in the Fleamarket (after what reasonable period of time?) is now listed on eBay. That sounds innocent enough. But that's the grey area. To say yes, allow eBay listings in the Flemarket is a whole other can to open. Open perhaps to what many would possibly feel to be abuse of the original atmosphere or intent of the Fleamarket?

madmax · May 2004

Originally posted by reeltrouble1

Its just not about E-bay for me, I have slowly gotten to know some of the members here and I have received far more than I ever expected from this club when I registered.

Not to post directly to your answer here, I just feel the same way as far as receiving far more than I ever expected from this club.

With that said, and I totally agree, I still like it when club members let us know when they are ebaying things. Some items you don't mind giving to forum members but others you may want to get your money out of them.

My point is that if one of you guys are selling something I would rather bid on it than another one from someone I don't know.

I want to see what is being offered by forum members! I could ignore it if I wanted but if you don't post it how would I know to look?

madmax

PolkWannabie · May 2004

Interesting thought ... maybe ?! the way to satisfy both camps without letting EVERY Tom, Dick and Harry to reference the stuff they post on eBay here is to limit activity here based on number of posts or longevity etc.

kibro2 · May 2004

I once had a mistake of posting my auctions over here not so long time ago. I did not understand then why the people here got so offended by linking an e-bay auction. To some degree, I still do not understand it to this day.

This is a club I agree, everyone got each other's back and that is great. But it is a democracy too. People should be able to post whatever they want and as long as it does not do any harm to anybody, I do not see any reason limiting it. In fact, to me, it is very helpful (e-bay, audiogon, etc. links) because I am always out looking for a cool equipment/gears/toys. I don't have time to surf the net like every other folk and mentioning an e-bay ad kinda gets me reminded that I need such and such. It does help...

After my very stressful welcome here, I have decided to just lurk quietly since I still value the people's insight around here, and friendship is good but you have to be warm to newcomers too otherwise, it becomes a fortress, and anybody is just not good enough to be in your group, sometimes it will discourage people like it had discouraged me to interact with some people here. I know I am nobody here but I am just citing an example.

One suggestion that I would give so that the people that don't like e-bay links don't waste their time clicking their mouse and getting into the thread is to put the word "e-bay" on the subject/thread header. That way, the decision of clicking the button is left to the individual (you), to either go and move along or to check it out, then click away.

I apologize for the novel. I just can't help to be quiet since I kinda can relate to this issue. Anyways, I'm going back to my lurking.

Good luck y'all and have a nice day.

Sincerely,
kibro

dholmes · May 2004

I see no problem with doing this, we are all Polkies right !

AsSiMiLaTeD · May 2004

Originally posted by F1nut
I sure as hell hope that those 30 voting YES in this poll understand exactly what they are voting for and that they have taken the time to read though all the posts as to why NO is the way it's been and should remain!!!

That's exactly why I mentioned that the guys that have been around a while should have a more weighted vote than newbies, becuase they know this place alot more...

If you've got a hundred people sitting in a room deciding on a safe place to build a nuclear power plant near your town, wouldn't you be more interested in the opinions of the four engineers than the other 96 people...

It's a poll, baby!!!!!!!!

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