Lexicon 501 monoblock amps- different output levels??

autoconsortium
autoconsortium Posts: 64
edited January 2012 in Electronics
My Lexicon monoblock amps are acting strange. One gets very hot, the other barely warm. Also, the output level (volume) is different between the two so I compensated by using the balance setting. The amp that has the lower output level, gets very hot putting out the same volume as the amp that has the higher output...this one barely heats up, even at very high volumes. I have, within the past 4 months replaced my adcom preamp with a lexicon DC1, and the problem seemed to exacerbate with the new pre. Any ideas on what could be causing this? The amps still sound wonderful and function perfectly otherwise. As an fyi, they are non-common and are ground strapped and running polk sda srs. They have been in use on my system for about 6 years.
Alex Cagann

Polk SDA SRS
Lexicon DC-1 preamp
(2) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps
Parasound CD Transport 1000
Parasound DAC1000
Nakamichi Dragon
Nakamichi RX505
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,672
    edited January 2012
    Could be the DC offset. Did you ever check with Lexicon before strapping them?
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    Did you check the position of the series /parallel switches on the back to confirm they are both set the same?That amp is the functional equivelant of the Bryston 7B ST.It will be non common ground with the switch in the series position but common ground when in the parallel position but power output will differ for each mode.Other wise the overheating likely relates to a biasing issue.
  • autoconsortium
    autoconsortium Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    They are set to the series position. I can remove the ground strap wire in this position? When I got them 6 years ago and hooked them up I got the nasty loud noise through the speakers that you get with non-common ground amps...but I'm not sure if the switch was on series or parallel. Just scared to repeat that experience.
    Alex Cagann

    Polk SDA SRS
    Lexicon DC-1 preamp
    (2) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps
    Parasound CD Transport 1000
    Parasound DAC1000
    Nakamichi Dragon
    Nakamichi RX505
  • autoconsortium
    autoconsortium Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    And what about the heat issue???
    Alex Cagann

    Polk SDA SRS
    Lexicon DC-1 preamp
    (2) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps
    Parasound CD Transport 1000
    Parasound DAC1000
    Nakamichi Dragon
    Nakamichi RX505
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    It should never be strapped or have the SDA cable connected when in series mode.It would be fine to do so in parallel mode but you'll take a hit in the power deparment unless you are running a low impedance(ie2 ohm) load.
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    And what about the heat issue???
    As mentioned previously above it's likely a biasing issue,but could be protesting the strapped outputs..Shut them off and switch them to parallel mode and run them awhile that way and see if they don't work better.
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    Well did get a chance you try them in parrallel mode?
  • autoconsortium
    autoconsortium Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    I did, and THANK YOU. They still need the grounds strapped or I get the nasty noise, but now the volume output is equal between left and right channel AND they warm up to the same temperature...they also sound much better.
    Alex Cagann

    Polk SDA SRS
    Lexicon DC-1 preamp
    (2) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps
    Parasound CD Transport 1000
    Parasound DAC1000
    Nakamichi Dragon
    Nakamichi RX505
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    Your welcome and yes they should be strapped when in the parallel mode.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2012
    Great job FTGV! :mrgreen:

    Your channel bias could be off when this happens also. In that case I'd suggest taking it to a shop and get hold of the schematic or service manual. If you have an amplifier that you plan on keeping, always try and get the service docs and manuals for it.

    The heat is a product of the bias having drifted out of tolerance and it will eventually blow a fuse when it's completely shot. You don't want it to get this far.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Your channel bias is off, take it to a shop and get hold of the schematic or service manual. The heat is a product of the bias having drifted out of tolerance and it will eventually blow a fuse when it's completely shot. You don't want it to get this far.
    Read post #9,they are now operating at same temp.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2012
    I read it. I was just commenting for other readers and perhaps should have used different verbage in the past tense I guess.

    Fixed... :arrowu:
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
  • autoconsortium
    autoconsortium Posts: 64
    edited January 2012
    Yes, great job and very good advice. So, if you may...explain how this series and parallel thing affects monoblock amps. I understand the meaning and difference of the two terms, but can't seem to wrap it around my noggin how exactly it pertains to these amps. When I think 'series' with respect to electronics I think of...say, my kid's remote control car takes 4 double A batteries...when you stack them in the battery compartment they are hooked up in a 'series', where if I had 4 double A batteries and all the negatives were attached to negative and all the positives were attached to positive...'parallel'.
    Alex Cagann

    Polk SDA SRS
    Lexicon DC-1 preamp
    (2) Lexicon 501 monoblock amps
    Parasound CD Transport 1000
    Parasound DAC1000
    Nakamichi Dragon
    Nakamichi RX505
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2012
    Though mono blocs each of those chassis's contain two complete channel assemblies much like would be found in a stereo unit.This gives it the flexibility to be configured in either the parrallel or series mode.In the series mode they are configured in what is commonly refered to as bridged mode.In this mode one channel amplifies the positive or non inverted half of the signal while the other channel (within the same unit)amplifies the negative or inverted half of the signal.Amplifying the signal differentially like this gives greater voltage swing thus giving greater power output potential into impedances in the 4-8 ohm range.
    Typically bridged amplifiers don't like driving low impedances so for 1-4 ohm loads the parallel mode would be used.In parallel the two channels are operating as such and because the output transistors of both sections are working in tandem greater current (,but lower voltage) is available to drive the demanding lower impedance load.

    Does that help?