Used Parasound A51 is worth???

aviator
aviator Posts: 159
edited June 2011 in Electronics
Over on Audiogon, $2750 seems high to me, but what do I know?



http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1311904472&/Parasound-A51-Near-Mint
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  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    $4499 aarrrggghhhh!!!!!
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited June 2011
    A-51 is newer and flashier but if you don't mind getting a little older amp, look for the Parasound HCA-2205A or HCA-2205AT (later version of the HCA-2205) for under a grand.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    That price is the used average...the lowest sold on Audiogon for $2040.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    megasat16 wrote: »
    A-51 is newer and flashier but if you don't mind getting a little older amp, look for the Parasound HCA-2205A or HCA-2205AT (later version of the HCA-2205) for under a grand.

    Ouch! This blew right past a grand.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=290571773923&si=VB17i40s1ZrLpsP30UKwBJ3UdsA%253D&viewitem=&autorefresh=true
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    That price is the used average...the lowest sold on Audiogon for $2040.

    The one on Audiogon has sold.

    If this one sold last year and I guess it did, it looks like it did, some one got a real good deal:

    http://powerampshop.com/parasound-a-51-amplifier
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    I was only commenting on Audiogon since that was the question. eBay isn't a reliable source of sales since the range will be all over the place. I've found many items that have SOLD, only to be re-listed for higher prices because of a seller/buyer dispute or default.

    It's good to get a feel for things but I don't allow buyers to lowball or deal with me on pricing based on anything from eBay.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    .... eBay isn't a reliable source of sales since the range will be all over the place....

    Well the HCA-2205AT at $1488.88 supports that. That was certainly a lot more than I was expecting it would go for. Of course, maybe that was just mostly wishful thinking on my part.
  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited June 2011
    In my opinion, A51 is a higher end amplifier than the HCA class. If you could afford the A51 I would highly recomended. This amplifier is still cheaper than say Classe or Macintosh which should be the equivalente to the A51.
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    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    Of course it's the higher end of the two since that's the way the lines were designed and marketed :smile:
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    The HCA line was no slouch, and I now have some personal experience with it.
    After selling my Emotiva XPA-5 last week, I borrowed, again, my uncle's Sunfire Cinema Grand while looking for a replacement. I was following that very model of Sunfire on Audiogon. However, the Sunfire did not give me much clarity and was quite bloated running my Polk LSi15s-LSiC-LSiFXs set in my 17x25 living room. I ran into this thread, and, luckily, decided to ask for Mark (dorokusai)'s recommendations since I've always respected his opinions and very much agreed with him.
    As he introduced me to the general trademarks of Rotel, Parasound, and B&K amps, I focused my attention on two Parasound: the 5-channel Halo A51 & the 6-channel HCA-1206. At first I was a little afraid the HCA-1206 wasn't going to be powerful enough since it was listed as 135W/channel for 8-ohm and 200W/channel for 4-ohm speakers; not only that, I was way way attracted to the Halo A51's marvelous look. Thanksfully, Mark also helped point out that I would get a much better value out of the HCA-1206 with such pricing of the 2 items listed at the 'Gon.
    Well, the PM trail paid off big time. Not only that I got the HCA-1206 at a great price, it was AMAZING! I haven't even bridged it yet, just using a simple direct 5-channel connection. Wow, wow, wow, with this Parasound amp, the high end was as soft & smooth as silk, the mid bass was very detailed, together with such fatigue-less warm tone. For 4-ohm speakers, the Emotiva XPA-5 was listed as 300W/channel, the Sunfire Cinema Grand 400W/channel, while this Parasound HCA-1206 just 200W/channel, but it was already more than abundant to fill my entire living room. It's hard to find such great value, and I had a chance to experience this amp as well as Parasound's signature thanks to Mark's prudent advice :smile:
    Thank you, thank you very much, Mark, you sure did encourage me to try stuff I wasn't familiar with. Without asking for your opinion, I would have never even looked at the ad of such old devices, I would have missed the fun of experiencing this amp while being able to save quite a few dollars for later :smile:
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    Vu - That's great, very nice to hear. Sometimes its best to jump in bed with the underdog as they usually surprise you in the end. You got a helluva deal on that amp, enough so that resale will be EASY and with it you'll head up the line to the Halo perhaps. Baby steps man, baby steps.

    Mark
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    Congrats on scoring your new amp!
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,688
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    .....I borrowed, again, my uncle's Sunfire Cinema Grand while looking for a replacement. However, the Sunfire did not give me much clarity and was quite bloated running my Polk LSi15s-LSiC-LSiFXs set in my 17x25 living room.......

    Can you elaborate a bit on above quote. I am looking to upgrade next year to a Sunfire 5 channel amp as well (I think its even the model your refering to) with a LSi 15, LSiC setup and am obviously very interested in your impressions as a result.


    Glad you like the new amp. Always good when you dont second guess a purchase :smile:
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    @EndersShadow: for HT, I've always liked to play my multi-channel music/ Bluray movies loud, as much to make me feel like I was in the theater. At the reference volume of my Denon AVR-4810ci receiver, the Sunfire I borrowed produced a significant lower output level than my old Emotiva XPA-5. Anything between mid and high end produced by the two front LSi15's wasn't as crisp and clear anymore, making me feel like it was covered behind my dual F113 subs; low bass just ate a part off the weak soft tone, hence the bloated comment. At first I thought I need to re-run Audyssey, but then why would I need to do that just because of replacing the amp??? As soon as I plugged the Parasound HCA-1206 in, it became apparent to me that the Sunfire Cinema Grand did not match well with my current setup.
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    OK. Here's my dumb question.

    The HCA-1206 specs show 30 amps peak per channel, does that become doubled to 60 amps when bridged or is it still 30 or even cut in half to 15?
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,688
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    @EndersShadow: for HT, I've always liked to play my multi-channel music/ Bluray movies loud, as much to make me feel like I was in the theater. At the reference volume of my Denon AVR-4810ci receiver, the Sunfire I borrowed produced a significant lower output level than my old Emotiva XPA-5. Anything between mid and high end produced by the two front LSi15's wasn't as crisp and clear anymore, making me feel like it was covered behind my dual F113 subs; low bass just ate a part off the weak soft tone, hence the bloated comment. At first I thought I need to re-run Audyssey, but then why would I need to do that just because of replacing the amp??? As soon as I plugged the Parasound HCA-1206 in, it became apparent to me that the Sunfire Cinema Grand did not match well with my current setup.

    Gotcha. So if I understand what are you saying it was more of a "system synergy" thing correct?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    Gotcha. So if I understand what are you saying it was more of a "system synergy" thing correct?

    Well, I carefully put it that way because I only tested the Sunfire in my system, not any others.
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,688
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    Well, I carefully put it that way because I only tested the Sunfire in my system, not any others.

    Gotcha. I ask because I heard a NooshinJohn's Sunfire driving some SDA 2.1 (I think), CSi5 and LSi 15 surrounds and it sounded awesome to me.

    I understand the careful wording. Some folks round here will jump on ya for saying stuff like that :wink:
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
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  • niente
    niente Posts: 68
    edited June 2011
    FYI - to anyone interested

    there is a Para 5250 on Ebay right now

    no bids yet = $1350 start
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Vu - That's great, very nice to hear. Sometimes its best to jump in bed with the underdog as they usually surprise you in the end. You got a helluva deal on that amp, enough so that resale will be EASY and with it you'll head up the line to the Halo perhaps. Baby steps man, baby steps.

    Mark

    Am I crazy or not, Mark? You introduced me to the Parasound world just a couple weeks ago; I fell in love with it; now I had a chance to audition a Halo A51, Parasound's top rate amp; I finally decided to take the plunge for it, and I'm pretty sure it will stay with me for quite a while :smile: A brand new one will arrive Friday, can't wait :biggrin:
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited June 2011
    I wanna try some parasound gear really bad. Just gotta get the little lady to stop spending my money before i can lol.
    Living Room Rig:D
    Rotel RSP-1069/Rotel RMB-1095/Rotel-1072/Polk lsI15's W/modded xoverW/DBsubs/Polk LsiC/lsI7's/Klipsch sub-12"the weak link"/DLP Mitsubishi 65"
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    Am I crazy or not, Mark? You introduced me to the Parasound world just a couple weeks ago; I fell in love with it; now I had a chance to audition a Halo A51, Parasound's top rate amp; I finally decided to take the plunge for it, and I'm pretty sure it will stay with me for quite a while :smile: A brand new one will arrive Friday, can't wait :biggrin:

    I wouldn't call you crazy...but perhaps a bit impulsive, lol. Another great amp for you to enjoy....what's to lose?
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    DMara wrote: »
    Am I crazy or not.... :biggrin:

    Welcome to the asylum.
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited June 2011
    Asylum it is... I got Battle: Los Angeles in Bluray but decided to save it for Friday night for the Halo A51 :biggrin:
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
  • rsromasoma
    rsromasoma Posts: 5
    edited June 2011
    I have a Parasound HCA-1200 II that used to work fine. Now, in stereo mode, one channel does not work.
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  • Outfitter03
    Outfitter03 Posts: 563
    edited June 2011
    rsromasoma wrote: »
    I have a Parasound HCA-1200 II that used to work fine. Now, in stereo mode, one channel does not work.

    So get it fixed. Where in the US do you live. I believe Parasound is in CA. That is a nice amp and well worth repairing.
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited June 2011
    If anyone looking for Parasound HCA-2205AT or A, here is one. It's not in the best shape I've seen but under 1G.

    No affil with the seller and don't know who he is.

    Caution is advised and a great deal for someone local to pickup and test it in person.


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Parasound-HCA-2205AT-5-Channel-Amplifier-/280699899361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415b048de1
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • aviator
    aviator Posts: 159
    edited June 2011
    megasat16 wrote: »
    If anyone looking for Parasound HCA-2205AT or A, here is one. It's not in the best shape I've seen but under 1G.

    No affil with the seller and don't know who he is.

    Caution is advised and a great deal for someone local to pickup and test it in person.


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Parasound-HCA-2205AT-5-Channel-Amplifier-/280699899361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415b048de1

    He relisted it, previously had it starting at $1025.