Yes, yet another projector question

kevhed72
kevhed72 Posts: 5,160
edited May 2011 in Electronics
DLP vs. LCD.....specifically, which one would work better with a low-gain, gray screen. I was intent on the Epson 8700, but did some research and the Mitsubishi hc4000 may be a better option.

Now, it seems the JVC DLA-HD250 would be the bee's-knees, but it goes for around 3k. Thoughts.....
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  • jaritta
    jaritta Posts: 277
    edited May 2011
    I chose the 8700, The picture quality for the price was unmatchable (in my situation) I beleive that a low gain screen would match the 8700 well, if you are in a light controled room.
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  • Zeros
    Zeros Posts: 940
    edited May 2011
    Paging Dr. Sherard! I'm sure he will be by to answer your question shortly.
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited May 2011
    I run a 8500 on a 1.1 gain Elite screen and am perfectly happy. Honestly, with the black levels of the newer LCDs, you really don't need a gray screen if you have a light controlled room. If you're on the fence on whether to get gray or plain matte white, I recommend checking with Elite or whatever company you may order from and get them to send you material samples, then get the projector and check them out before ordering the screen. But honestly... lower-gain screens with a gray basecoat were only necessary for older LCDs that had weak black levels. The projectors with the Epson D5 panels (especially from Epson's UB line of projectors) typically give you about the same black level as theatrical digital projectors, so a gray screen really isn't needed.
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    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited May 2011
    I own the 250 and can tell you were you can get it new in box for less than 3K if you want to know.

    Personally I love the thing. Very natural and film like and just beautiful. To me skin tones are natural like intended and nothing looks washed out. I hated the Epson I had at one time with the auto iris as it drove me nuts.
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited May 2011
    Yeah, I don't use the auto iris on my Epson. It fiddles with the gamma... and blacks are good enough without it. That 250 looks sweet though!
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2011
    Your community forum will be terminated!
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited May 2011
    A little late to the party, but here goes:

    If your not subjective to RBE (rainbow effect) then DLP would be an option to consider. You would definitely get good pop in the image sort of speak, however the better black level (low contrast) would go to the LCD (Epson, Panasonic)/LCOS (Sony,JVC) compared to that model Mitsubishi. I would propose a few options if your in the market. The Epson 8700UB is the poor man's JVC for under 2500.00. The HD250 is supposed to be equal to JVC's RS10 model, with the RS10 having just a shy bit better contrast level. You would probably never notice the difference if you saw the two side by side. If the budget allows definitely consider the JVC or the Sony HW15.

    Most are very good out of the box offering excellent image quality. So you definitely can't go wrong with the JVC, Epson 8700UB, or Sony (midrange projectors). If your after DLP, then I would suggest the BenQ W6000 or Infocus SP8602. Keep in mind that regardless of which you choose all of these are pretty good in size so make sure your shelf can support it, ceiling mount no worries.

    Also when considering your pj please consider screen size. The JVC's are usually brighter than the Epsons when calibrated, so the reviewers say. I have never calibrated an Epson, just seen them and reviewed them many times. I can tell you with the JVC RS10 I have, I run it on High Lamp around the 800-1000hr mark with my 126" screen. If your in the ball park of 90-110 inches any of those mentioned will be just fine. If you don't have the screen yet, then I would also recommend a white screen( post #4 is dead on). The projectors these days perform very well without the help of a grey screen.

    As for where to buy:

    Projectors
    Projectorpeople
    VisualApex

    Screens
    Monoprice ( just got a few new model screens with favorable reviews from AVS members)

    HTDepot (good prices with favorable reviews

    Carada ( compares along with Stewart, my own personal experience, excellent service)

    Elite Screens ( good prices over at Amazon, you can get with Grimster and some of the guys here, but wow you get alot for your money. Grimster's setup looks awesome paired up with the JVC HD1)

    Last but not least: The Epson 8100 can be had for around 1K and is not a slouch either, so something else to think about if your on a tight budget. If the funds allow though, definitely step it up to what you can afford to spend.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,872
    edited May 2011
    Sherardp..man nice post...this is way i come in here..Here cold beer for ya!..
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,160
    edited May 2011
    My room is small.....say 11.5' by 16.5' (which sucks). The screen is a focupix low-gain gray - 80" due room size. Pretty much everything in the room is done, except for buying the PJ. I was originally leaning toward the Epson 8700 LCD, but did a bunch of research and maybe a DLP will give me more 3D effect / picture pop? Decisions, decisions....
  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited May 2011
    With a screen that size, you could get away with either. The LCD would offer excellent image quality and it would render that effect your looking for. Any PJ would do that on the smaller screens ( no pun intended). Definitely entertain the Epson. If your really torn between the two types, call projectorpeople and have them send both ( they will allow returns up to 2-4hrs on the unit) then make the decision afterward.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,160
    edited May 2011
    Sherardp wrote: »
    With a screen that size, you could get away with either. The LCD would offer excellent image quality and it would render that effect your looking for. Any PJ would do that on the smaller screens ( no pun intended). Definitely entertain the Epson. If your really torn between the two types, call projectorpeople and have them send both ( they will allow returns up to 2-4hrs on the unit) then make the decision afterward.[/QUOTE]

    That....is awesome! Thanks,
  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited May 2011
    Projectorpeople rocks. That's where I got my 8500. Good advice, Sherard!
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
  • Grimster74
    Grimster74 Posts: 2,577
    edited May 2011
    Dangit, Sherard always beats me to the punch, very well said Sherard.
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