Denon vs. Onkyo

K-daugh
K-daugh Posts: 467
edited May 2010 in Electronics
ok guys denon avr890 or onkyo txsr707 which one and why????
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    or hk 354
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    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    the hk weighs the most at 31.8 pounds but has the least watts per channel(adding external amps down the line anyways) hk goes for $460 refurb i can get an onkyo 707 for like $560 ish at newegg brand new. whats the better deal? and where does the denon890 stand
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
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  • rallyshark
    rallyshark Posts: 417
    edited May 2010
    Well, since no one else has commented on the Denon....I think some of your decision may lie on what it will be used for. The HK and the Denon tend to have a warmer sound, which would be better for music. The Onks tend to be a bit brighter, which works better for HT in many cases. All three are good receivers in their own right, but I would pick the Denon myself. If not the Denon, then I would have no problem with the HK either. I'm a Marantz lover, and Denon is owned by the same peeps. Their customer service made me their brand **** since they tried so hard(and succeeded) to make me a happy customer when I had an issue a while back. That aside, I do prefer the warmer more musical receivers over the brighter ones. I'm not saying the Onk is bad, I just prefer the sound of a HK/Marantz/Denon:) There are many folks on here who are very happy with Onkyo to.

    There is one thing I don't like about the HK though. It doesn't have A/B speaker outputs, which what kept me from getting one in the first place. You, however, may have no need for that. So, back to my first statement...What will be your intended use? That will allow people to give you more detailed advice/opinions. Happy shopping!
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    thanks guys the intended use is primarily for ht and cable tv all via hdmi....upscaling is also important to me.....i wanna have this receiver for a long time so technology that works with all the current stuff is important...the wattage doesn't matter as much ....i plan on amping the front three and only running my rears off of the receiver....and the sub......im rnning monitor line 60's fronts 30's backs cs1 center and a mirage bps150i sub ......7.1 would be a good option...not sure if its a neccesity haven't decided yet.....thanks guys
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    brand new onk rc180 good prices on ebay in the 500 range but id rather get the hk354 refurb for like 250 then put like five hundred into a good amp do you think the hk has enough power and whats a good amp to go with my setup in that price range ......an amp that runs well with the hk
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    really???? and sound quality too????i thought you need higher power for this the m60's are rated for two hundred watts
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    im looking for the best possible set-up(receiver) i can have for ht to go with the speakers i have ....and do not wanna spend more than eight hundred thats my max ....will the hk give me this ???or hk plus amp????or completely different route
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,961
    edited May 2010
    I have an HKAVR354 and love it! I had an Onkyo 606 (One model before, and one level below the 707) and it was no comparison. If you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot me a private message.

    James
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited May 2010
    +1, James is right. The HKAVR354 does NOT compete with the Onkyo 600 series it puts out cleaner sound at higher volumes than that.

    You'd really have to get up to the 800 Onkyo series to match it but it would still be warmer...well worth the price quoted above.....!!

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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    im leaning towards the hk i like what it has to offer and the price is unbeatable......it has all the upscaling and 1080p capabilities right????Im hoping it powers my monitors better than my xisting 1999 sony str-de635 80 watts per channel (20lbs 15 oz ) hk avr 354 (31lbs?)
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited May 2010
    K-daugh wrote: »
    really???? and sound quality too????i thought you need higher power for this the m60's are rated for two hundred watts

    The vast majority of receivers simply cannot drive speakers to thier full potential. But until one gets a seperate amp, you just don't/can't hear what you are missing.

    People give HK high marks, so get the one that meets all of your reqmts & then in time get a 5-7 channel 200wpc or more amp.

    Any receiver can/will play your speakers, but adding an amp will ensure you are hearing what they are truly capable of sounding like.

    Getting at least 200wpc will also ensure that you have enough power to drive almost any speaker to thier full potential now & in the future since you can keep it through all other upgrades to your system.
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    Pycroft wrote: »
    I have an HKAVR354 and love it! I had an Onkyo 606 (One model before, and one level below the 707) and it was no comparison. If you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot me a private message.

    James

    how do i do that....????lol
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    does the hk avr354 have more wattage than the onk 707 and deno 890 yes im disregarding the claimed wattage ratings????and i know im hung up on wattage .....
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,961
    edited May 2010
    DON'T be hung up on wattage. Trust me :)
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    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    ok let me rephrase that question which sounds best out of those three????typically with monitors?? for ht ?hdmi is key by the way
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    you guys rock any suggestions on a three channel amp
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    understandable kex lets say all of a sudden im turning frugal then h/k would make the most sense.....refurb ....im torn because i like all three anything will sound better than what i have plus i desperately need hdmi.....i like my highs i enjoy tight bass ....im on a budget ....yes i want it all
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    im also trying to figure for the future adding amps ,two more surrounds,blue-ray,etc....
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    i need a good mix of quality sound ,bells and whistles, and on a budget lol
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    a well rounded piece of eqipment that i can add too.....the room is 16x18 with 8' ceilings fyi
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    oh most definately im running a mirage bps150i powered sub
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited May 2010
    K-daugh wrote: »
    ok guys denon avr890 or onkyo txsr707 which one and why????

    For lower end ARVs, between the Denon and Onkyo, I would pick the Onkyo for reliability issues. It's a turn-off to see the "made-in-China" on the back of the low-end of the Denon and to me it's a make-or break the deal.

    That's being said, I would buy the Denon but not less than the 4810 series. Denon ( same with Marantz) , Yammaha and now Pio low-end AVRs hav been move to China. You's better off with savings some $$$$ and get the higher-end price tag from Denon.

    For H/T application, Onkyo will be the best ticket as far as street price and reliabilty. People cried abt the Onkyo overheat issues, my 876 runs cool as cucumber all the time and so is my Pio SC05. Room temperature and placement are the key to keep these AVRs run cool.

    For 2 channel listening, forget these AVRs. Save up some $$$ to buy an intergrated amps or separated amps/ pre-amp. Most importantly is to find a corehent pair of speakers to suit your taste of music then build the system around the speakers. Happy listening and may the audio God will lead you to the right path.
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    im really leaning hard towards the hkavr354 good prices .good quality.anybody now how the upscaling competes with onkyo or denon .i have a 1080p tv...no blue ray YET ....hd comcast.....Also how do people feel about the refurb stuff or used ...thanks all appreciate all the input
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    does anyone know how good the upscaling is ?????when i setup my ht i like to plug everything through the avr...then run a single hdmi to the tv....yay or nay
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • K-daugh
    K-daugh Posts: 467
    edited May 2010
    refurb price on amazn is 459
    Budget 5.1 H.T. Set Up
    HK avr 247 - Adcom GFA-7605:mrgreen::mrgreen: - Belkin PF60 Power Conditioner - Cs2 center channel - Monitor 60's fronts - Monitor 30's rears
    Mirage Bps 150i powered sub - 40"Samsung LCD ln40c530 - Sony Blu Ray Player BDP-S370 - Comcast digital hd box(motorola dcx3400)
    Monoprice Premium Interconnects Monoprice Ultra Slim HDMI w/Redmere:mrgreen: -Knukonceptz Kord 10 Gauge Speaker Wire - Nakamichi Banana Plugs
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  • camp21178
    camp21178 Posts: 273
    edited May 2010
    Pycroft wrote: »
    DON'T be hung up on wattage. Trust me :)

    So true. the Harman Kardon amplifiers have always been high current designs with a lot of head room. I've looked inside HK amps and an Onkyo, and the HK uses output transistors and the Onkyo had a "power IC". I don't know if that matters but thermal runaway and thermal distortion is a possibility.
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