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Thanks guys I will give the cheater plug a try first. Is there any risk to the equipment because of this?, I have things in the same surge protector (reciever, dvd, vcr,sat. reciever, tv) except the sub it has it's own in another outlet, could there be too many things in the same protector? What is a good speaker wire choice (min.gadge)? Lastly the sub cable (monster THX) has directional arrows, I noticed that I have it backwards, does that really matter?
Thanks
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Regarding directional sub cable: In theory it matters (you can read all about it at monster web site). I have hooked up several, both ways on different systems and didn't notice a difference.
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I have no problem w/my system using the cheater plug. It's connected to the surge protector anyway, so it should be fine.
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Sorry about that, I should have specified my coincern as damage to the equipment with a ground loop problem.
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I don't believe that the groundloop problem will have any long term affect on the system, just very annoying.
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Dave,
You first impressions are my lasting impressions.
Well, I have had my Denon 3803 for a couple of weeks now. I have read the manual forward and backwards. I have calibrated it 10 ways to Sunday. I have to say that I am not at all impressed with its dynamic performance. It flat out lacks punch when playing movies. Sporting events, and music. The sound just doesnt reach out and touch you. A small example of what I mean is, while watching Football on FOX this past Sunday, the sound effects that I was accustomed to listening to with my Yamaha were gone. When the banners raced a crossed the screen or popped out at you, the sound was flat. With the Yamaha the sound rushed by or rumbled out at you. You can set the compression to any level and it makes no difference. You just flat out turn the volume way up when playing DVDs or anything for that matter. Something is just holding this AV unit back. For 110 watts somethings wrong. I wondered why the 3803 did not have a THX certification I think I now know why.
Musically, the unit has a very nice sound field, but it still lacks punch.
Very Disappointed, I now know why 6th avenue has been dumping them. I m dam glad I pay $648 instead of 1200 or 1000. Stilled paid too much though. I plan to send it back, unless I find I have been doing something wrong and I can make some corrections. I like to at least get back to where I was with my 4 year old 100 watt Yamaha.
Denon: DVD 2900
Denon: 3003
Polk: Rti70s fronts
Polk: Cti40 center
Polk: Fxi30s surround
Polk: Rti28s rears
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Russell, I believe that 6Ave charges a restocking fee, if you return the Denon.
A friend of mine who owns the Denon 4802 complained about the same issues and bought a 200Wx3 B&K and a 120Wx2 Parasound amps to run his five speakers. He is using the 4802 as a pre-pro for movies, but he complained about the clarity for two channel music. He has the B&W Matrix 801 front speakers, which are wonderful speakers but very pricy. My friend also ended up buying a Jeffsoundsvalue pre-pro for the two channel music listening, and this really opened up the sound stage. On some duets, closing my eyes I could picture two different artists standing on left and right sides to perform their duets. On one jazz selection, I could actually hear the musician licking his lips prior to drawing his breath to play his saxophone . This was not present on my Polk RTi70. Of course, his B&W Matrix cost about 10x my RTi70, and his Jeffsoundsvalue pre-pro cost about $1400. -
Not having THX certification doesn't mean much with respect to sound quality.
The 3803 is a great AVR, with thousands of happy owners, including those who compared to Yammy and found it better.
I won't debate what you are hearing, though. The final judge is your ears. If you don't like it, you don't like it - end of discussion.
If you are 100% positive you aren't running a limiter or have some other set-up problem, you can easily sell the 3803 for what you paid instead of returning it."What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
Director - Technology and Customer Service
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If you have compression on that could be your issue. Compression takes the punch out of the system so family can sleep at night while you watch a movie. If you have not already, disable compression. I demoed my system to a friend with compression on (I forgot it was on) and was trying to figure out were my bass went! The next day I tried to turn it on at night and it went off. Sure enough it was compression (or night mode, it is the same thing).
Howie -
If you do end up returning your 3803, check out the HK 525 from OneCall for only $598.91. They are an authorized online HK dealer. I have been using this receiver for the past 4 months and couldn't be happier. In my opinion, my father's Denon 3802 also sounds 'flat' when compared to my HK. The 3802 is a nice receiver, but it just didn't do it for me. It has been said many times before, but I am sure you will feel the HK exceeds it's advertised rated power, and will not be left with that nagging feeling that it lacks punch.
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I also bought the 3803 from 6th ave.
I had trouble getting the zone 2 speakers to work in my bedroom.
I was runnign a new denon 1805 dvd/cd player and had it hooked up using coax.
Another poster suggested that I try to hook up the RCA cables to the unit also and WOW that was it, now I can get sound out of my ZONE 2.
the instructions say its either/or, as well as the option of optical, but I am wondering if anyone else had the problem -
Russell,You should have a P.M.
