Killer Whale kills trainer

dfranks wrote: »

Tough, that young lady won't be doing any mating anytime soon now thanks to the whale.

I wonder if she has kids, or a husband???

Human beings ARE worth more than animals. Put the creature down

That's just stupid...:rolleyes:

The young lady's fate was due to her actions/choice. She knew the risks and was willing to take them.

Think Steve Irwin...

I heard a marine biologist's take on the whole thing today. He said "The whale is far too smart to have made a mistake, or done that by accident. It was premeditated."

Well no **** Doc? I don't figure if I wander into the polar bear or rhino cage the attack will be accidental either. Shoot them too?

George Grand wrote: »

I heard a marine biologist's take on the whole thing today. He said "The whale is far too smart to have made a mistake, or done that by accident. It was premeditated."

Well no **** Doc? I don't figure if I wander into the polar bear or rhino cage the attack will be accidental either. Shoot them too?

There are some that are trying to allow lawyers to sue pet owners on behalf of their pets. If we take that logic to it's extreme, I guess the whale can be charged with premeditated murder. Is Florida a death penalty state?:p

dfranks wrote: »

If that was the first kill, than I am right there with you on that one. However it is his second kill and 3rd attack.

Let's just say that was a member of your family and I bet you would feel much differently.

Yep just another case of the "victim" that deserved their fate.

She knew his history, probably better than anyone...she KNEW the risk and decided it was a risk worth taking. She was not forced to do what she did.

If a member of my family dies doing something risky that they love and it is their choice, then I will be sad...but at peace that they died doing something that made them happy. And BTW, my daughters snow ski, rock climb, scuba, hang glide, sky dive, whitewater rafting and my 25 Y/O is getting ready to head to SE Asia with her friend for her third backpacking tour adventure (Europe 07 & Africa 08). All risky activities that could get them killed. If they were wild animal handlers...loved their job...and died doing it...I wouldn't blame the animal. It is what it is.

I NEVER said she deserved to die...just that her life choices were the factors that contributed to her death. They were informed choices. I would be willing to bet the farm that if she had a wish to seal the fate of the whale...it certainly would not be to take its life because it took hers.

exalted512 wrote: »

So have people...maybe everyone should be in a cage too.
-Cody

Those that get caught are.

dfranks wrote: »

Nope I wouldn't, but standing on the edge of the pool,and being atacked or swimming in their pool (cage) makes it somewhat different.

Killer whales love to eat seals, and I bet she looked like a big seal standing there.

So is the dilemma, if you look like food OR the animal has decide the 2 legged kind are toys. Than the next option is to free him to the wild, from the sounds of it that wouldn't survive there. So what do you do with him?

Send the whale to counselling, and put other people at risk?
Or keep on with the "shows" that way lots of men, woman and children can watch that special program again, and I bet the general concensus here is that it would happen again.

So please tell me what would you do with him?

Weren't we were discussing whether this woman was some kind of victim?
I noticed you acknowledged that the animal was simply acting on instinct so does that mean we agree she put ultimately put herself in this position?

As to what to do with the whale, I don't know. The whale is going to continue to be a whale, though. I guess the question is whether or not you think it's some kind of serial killer or a whale using it's instincts. Either way, humans interacting with it will continue to be at risk.

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I think this woman is a victim of a company(SeaWorld) that allowed close contact with an animal that was a known killer. I think she was a victim of a very lax safety program when it came to being around this whale, and I think she was a victim of her own complacency. There should have simply not have been an opportunity for that whale to get to her in the first place however, and with the risks that SeaWorld knew of well in advance, there should have been better protection in place for their employees.

Calling her a victim, to me, is a loaded term and seems to indicate a need for people to blame someone or something other than the person who took an informed risk. The definition of victim has become rather broad over time, but I'm focusing on this one in particular:

A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of...

We've become a society of victims and nobody is responsible for themselves anymore.

It was her job to interact with these animals and there is inherent risk in that. She played the odds either for her love of that job, a paycheck, or both and she lost. SeaWorld did not dupe this woman into believing that there were not any risks associated with being in and around a relatively small pool filled with 1 or more 20,000+ pound animals.

See, I don't think the whale is a serial killer and maybe that's where we differ. I think the whale is a whale, whether his kill count is 0 or 1,000 they're a danger to humans at no fault of their own. I don't see SeaWorld as being culpable at all unless you contend they never should have had whales interacting with humans in the first place.

Demiurge wrote: »

Calling her a victim, to me, is a loaded term and seems to indicate a need for people to blame someone or something other than the person who took an informed risk. The definition of victim has become rather broad over time, but I'm focusing on this one in particular:



We've become a society of victims and nobody is responsible for themselves anymore.

It was her job to interact with these animals and there is inherent risk in that. She played the odds either for her love of that job, a paycheck, or both and she lost. SeaWorld did not dupe this woman into believing that there were not any risks associated with being in and around a relatively small pool filled with 1 or more 20,000+ pound animals.

See, I don't think the whale is a serial killer and maybe that's where we differ. I think the whale is a whale, whether his kill count is 0 or 1,000 they're a danger to humans at no fault of their own. I don't see SeaWorld as being culpable at all unless you contend they never should have had whales interacting with humans in the first place.

Demi and I have had our differences, but this post is one the best written responses that captures exactly how I feel on the situation as well.

I heard on the radio this morning that Seaworld is going to keep the whale. It is the most successful breeding Orca in captivity.

They did NOT state whether they would remove him from performing. If they don't then Seaworld should be sued for recklessly endangering their employees & the public!

I have yet to disagree with a single point Demi has made in this thread. Based on an interview I saw with the victims sister, I think she would also agree.

I can't see anything this wild animal did wrong, we're talking about a wild animal here. Then again keeping him outside of what he knows is correct is more harmful then anything else, I even think he wondering where Dawn I enjoyed playing with her. For what he is I sure he doesn't understand what has happened.

hhhmmmmmm sometimes I can't handle my liquor much less the whale next to me

gotta dog that's killed more ppl than that

If you are a killer whale trainer being eaten alive is a chance you take.

She knew the risks.

The whale can't be blamed, it's just doing what comes naturally.

I feel for her family. They knew she was at risk, but she was probably doing what she loved.

I'm just surprised that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson haven't crawled out from under the dung pile yet in support of Tilikum , afterall....Tilikum has more black in him then Tiger Woods or President Obama put together.