If these were your only choices?

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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote: »
    No sir... 7xx and up.

    INTERESTING.........the sales dude tole me the only receiver that DIDN'T have pre-outs was the Yammie 565.

    Mike
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,893
    edited January 2010
    LuSh wrote: »
    Why do people recommend brands that have their own refurb stores? Am I out to lunch here? I'd rather buy a brand that didn't have a refurb store, having a refurb store to me indicates that their is a history of problems and in order to get rid of their problems from dealers they take the products back and re-sell them. If it were my money I'd rather buy from the guy that doesn't have to open up a refurbished goods store.
    ...


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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    wrigley wrote: »
    INTERESTING.........the sales dude tole me the only receiver that DIDN'T have pre-outs was the Yammie 565.

    Mike

    Yeah well, he also suggested a Yamaha ;)

    I looked it up. 607 has no pre-amp outputs. What speakers are you planning on driving with this receiver? The preamp outs are only useful if you plan on adding an amp. If you are the kind of person that isn't prone to "upgrade-itis" then the 607 will serve you nicely. If I wasn't so attached to my 606 I would sell it you and buy a 7xx. Alas, I have other priorities and the 606 does exactly what I want it to do.

    Still...I recommend getting one with pre-outs. It's far more future proof and upgrade-itis friendly :)
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote: »
    Yeah well, he also suggested a Yamaha ;)

    I looked it up. 607 has no pre-amp outputs. What speakers are you planning on driving with this receiver? The preamp outs are only useful if you plan on adding an amp. If you are the kind of person that isn't prone to "upgrade-itis" then the 607 will serve you nicely. If I wasn't so attached to my 606 I would sell it you and buy a 7xx. Alas, I have other priorities and the 606 does exactly what I want it to do.

    Still...I recommend getting one with pre-outs. It's far more future proof and upgrade-itis friendly :)


    I have 2 monitor 60's, a CS2 CENTER, and 2 older jbl n24 bookshelf speakers. I haven't even gotten a sub yet.

    Let me tell you how often I upgrade. My stereo amp is an old Kenwood that weighs almost as much as I do. I have an old Kenwood tuner, a Techniques equalizer and a dual tape deck that doesn't even work anymore :)

    Mike
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote: »
    Yeah well, he also suggested a Yamaha ;)

    I looked it up. 607 has no pre-amp outputs. What speakers are you planning on driving with this receiver? The preamp outs are only useful if you plan on adding an amp. If you are the kind of person that isn't prone to "upgrade-itis" then the 607 will serve you nicely. If I wasn't so attached to my 606 I would sell it you and buy a 7xx. Alas, I have other priorities and the 606 does exactly what I want it to do.

    Still...I recommend getting one with pre-outs. It's far more future proof and upgrade-itis friendly :)

    But the yamaham 665 has pre-outs.....right?

    Mike
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    I am unsure of the Yamaha. Like I said, I am just not a fan. I truly believe Onkyo's sound better. If you don't do a lot of upgrading, and your budget doesn't allow for a 707... get the 607. It will drive your speakers quite well. You don't strike me as the kind of guy that will add amps later anyway. ;)

    BTW... lose the EQ. You will thank me later.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
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    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    wrigley wrote: »
    OK.....here's what they have in store in no particular order but are in my price range. Mind you, I will have a $203.00 store credit:

    Onkyo HST-6200 $534.63
    Onkyo HTS-5200 $445.23
    Onkyo TSXR-607 $429.62
    Yamaha RXV-565 $371.95
    Yamaha RXV-665 $430.05

    The sales guy in there told me he would recommend a Yamaha over an Onkyo anyday. He told me it more user friendly and has less trouble calls placed on it?

    Mike

    Most product has some kind of " SPIFF" from manufacture. Salesman either on straight commision or on salary ( BB employees) will try to promote what pays them the highest SPIFF. It's an extra $$$ range from $5.00 to $200.00 per sales.

    Trust your own ears.
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  • MANSKITO
    MANSKITO Posts: 295
    edited January 2010
    I wouldn't buy a low-mid end Yamaha again. I bought a Yamaha RXV-463 as a $99 dollar floor item. And even at that price it's still Crap. (even in a small bed room with just one small door way it sucks.) I know what I'm talking about I have heard the exact same speakers and source with 2 different AVR and they both blew the Yamaha away.

    As to user friendly not more so then any other AVR, he sounds like a misinformed fan boy/sells clerk. low end Sony is not much better.

    Me, my brother and my moms boy friend just built her a 2.1 HT with Polk speakers with an old Onkyo from the late 90's and it sounds fantastic.

    So my vote is get a HIGH end Yamaha used or get a mid price Denon or Onkyo new.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2010
    LuSh wrote: »
    Why do people recommend brands that have their own refurb stores? Am I out to lunch here? I'd rather buy a brand that didn't have a refurb store, having a refurb store to me indicates that their is a history of problems and in order to get rid of their problems from dealers they take the products back and re-sell them. If it were my money I'd rather buy from the guy that doesn't have to open up a refurbished goods store.

    Using an example of higher end audio if Krell sold via a refurb store and SimAudio I could only buy used or new I would lean more towards the SimAudio as I would question the durability of build quality of the Krell...

    A refurbed Krell...lol. Really a Krell vs. an Onkyo? Wouldn't you say there is a 'slight' price difference there?

    You can google 'reliability' stats if you're interested. Onkyos are not the worst out there, in fact some manufacturers who have NO REFURB stores are in the top 3 least realible AVRs..!

    I think John summed it up above..Polk has a 'refurb' store. Does that mean that Polk products have a HIGH failure rate. I don't think so.

    I'd buy a Polk 'refurb' any day of the week over a lot of other products.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    Never say never. I have been a Krell fan-old-boy for so many moons. With the new product line made in China, who knows one day Dan will open a refurb store.

    ANW, Go with the Onkyo that has the pre-out and get it over with. I love my 876 Onkyo as much as I love my Pio Sc05 Elite but Onkyo street price is better the the Elite, so go with the Onkyo and start to enjoy the freaking movies . Kaboom, Kaboom....Don't forgtet to get some SVS or HSU sub for more Kaboom.:D
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    Did I not explain that ? Idealy, you would have both, analog inputs and outputs/ HDMI, but if cost is a factor,I'd take the analog outputs, anyday.
    For the simple purpose of being able to add an amp down the road when you upgrade your speakers. Hdmi is the way to go if you want less cables, or your blu-ray player does not have analog outputs. Ya gettin' it yet ? Lets say you buy a receiver without analog inputs, next year you want to move up the speaker chain to the rtia series. You would have to go out and buy a whole new receiver again because those you have chosen are uncapable of powering them properly, and you could not add an amp because...you have no analog outputs. Getting the picture yet? Don't know how better to explain this. I realize funds are limited for you. If you plan on staying on the lower end of the speaker pool for awhile, then this doesn't matter at all.

    You can have all my analog input and output on both of my 876 Onkyo and SC05 Pio.

    Keep it simple, dude. Buy a freaking AVR for watching a freaking Kaboom movies and leave your dedicated 2 channel alone. Mix-bag is not always a good thing.

    For less than $500.00, Op has not much too loose. After many more moons, when the freaking AVR is obsoleted, he can always move it out into the garage or to Goodwill for a better cause. Homeless people need H/T too.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited January 2010
    cnh,

    Yes, I would think twice buying from any company that has their own refurb store...I would have serious doubts about quality...I used the Krell as an example because having owned Krell in the past has lead me to believe that at least with their entry level gear they've had a fair number of problems...I wouldn't be surprised if they had a refurb store.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited January 2010
    Go for the Onkyo!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Go for the Onkyo!

    I think this is going to be my plan of attack today. I'm taking back the old AVR and I'll ask them if they can order me the Yammie 765 and price match Newegg at $449.00.

    If they cannot. I'm going to buy the Yammie 665 at the Newegg price match price of $399.00.

    Mike
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2010
    Alot of suggestions have been tossed your way. If you don't upgrade that often,as you claim, then most of this is mute. The point some are trying to make is that most would buy a used mid level avr than a new lower end one. Audio gear tends to not hold value all that well. Up to you though, your money, spend it wisely.
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    You guys are probably getting tired of hearing from my A$$. I returned the **** AVR to hhgregg but didn't buy anything. I asked the same sales guy if they priced matched Newegg..........and he got pissed off. I took my $203.00 store credit and walked.

    I did stop over Best Buy to look at what they had.
    Pioneer VSX1019AH $509.00
    Denon AVR-790 $499.00

    I'm convinced I need to bump up my price range to $500.00. I truly appreciate everyones help and inputs!

    Mike

    P.S. Tony.....don't yell at me anymore, I really am sensitive! :)
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    We've provided some much better suggestions via on-line suppliers (i.e. Newegg or Videogon).
    Why don't you look at them?
    Most of us have had excellent experience buying on-line vs from a B&M store.
    Keep your options open.

    I do look at them.
    And I do appreciate your input.

    Mike
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2010
    Not yelling at ya dude.:)

    Just saying, time to **** or get off the pot. :D
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    Not yelling at ya dude.:)

    Just saying, time to **** or get off the pot. :D

    Need some laxative , perharps ?:D
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2010
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    Need some laxative , perharps ?:D

    Nah...coffee takes care of that. :)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    Not yelling at ya dude.:)

    Just saying, time to **** or get off the pot. :D


    With that statement, I can tell you are from Chicago! :)

    Mike
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
    +1 on the Onkyo's. The $500 is going to kill you if you want one with pre-outs. The TX-SR806 and TX-SR707 are about the cheapest from them with pre-outs and they are about $600-$650 from various E-Tailers.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
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    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    wutadumsn23 wrote: »
    +1 on the Onkyo's. The $500 is going to kill you if you want one with pre-outs. The TX-SR806 and TX-SR707 are about the cheapest from them with pre-outs and they are about $600-$650 from various E-Tailers.

    -Jeff

    TX-707 is $500 on amazon, sir. ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    TX-707 is $500 on amazon, sir. ;)

    Sweet deal, I love it when I am wrong. Just ask my wife, lol. Good find man.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • woodhead 2
    woodhead 2 Posts: 367
    edited January 2010
    Onkyo
    Panny 8000 project
    Oppo 103D
    Fronts- Monitor 70's
    Upper fronts- Monitor 30's
    Surrounds- Monitor 50's
    Backs- Monitor 40's
    Center-CS 350
    Sub- SVS PB 2000
    Onkyo 607[back up]
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    wutadumsn23 wrote: »
    Sweet deal, I love it when I am wrong. Just ask my wife, lol. Good find man.

    -Jeff

    So you're lovin' it 5-10 times daily with the wifey, huh? :p

    I didn't find it... there's a whole thread about it. ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    TX-707 is $500 on amazon, sir. ;)

    I don't know what you are looking at. I see it for $654.98!

    Mike
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    wrigley wrote: »
    I don't know what you are looking at. I see it for $654.98!

    Mike

    Ah... sorry. I guess i thought that thread was more recent than that. Sorry. :(

    I'll see if i can get some time to look around for you today. For $500, there's no reason to settle with something without preouts to keep you happy down the road.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • wrigley
    wrigley Posts: 79
    edited January 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Ah... sorry. I guess i thought that thread was more recent than that. Sorry. :(

    I'll see if i can get some time to look around for you today. For $500, there's no reason to settle with something without preouts to keep you happy down the road.


    I just stopped over at hhgregg. They have the Onkyo 707 for $799.00. I showed them the Newegg price of $599.00 and the guy agreed to price match. this hhgregg is a different one then the one I went into on Sat.

    Mike
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    wrigley wrote: »
    I just stopped over at hhgregg. They have the Onkyo 707 for $799.00. I showed them the Newegg price of $599.00 and the guy agreed to price match. this hhgregg is a different one then the one I went into on Sat.

    Mike

    The end ?:D
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