Opinions on CD changers

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  • mrbofus
    mrbofus Posts: 297
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote: »
    Well... since you asked...

    I am no fan of changers. The loading mechanisms are prone to failure and they are almost always inferior to single-disc players of comparable price.

    I keep hearing that, My old technics that is finally giving out has lasted 20 years so is that the exception and not the rule?
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    mrbofus wrote: »
    I keep hearing that, My old technics that is finally giving out has lasted 20 years so is that the exception and not the rule?

    My experience with changers is limited. There have been some suggestions from folks here whom I trust have more than I. But I will say with confidence: yes, your experience is the exception rather than the rule.

    On a more personal level, I just don't understand why one would sacrifice fidelity for convenience where audio is concerned. I am certain there are reasons for some, but not for me.
    -Kevin
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  • greyranch
    greyranch Posts: 14
    edited January 2010
    I have the sony ce595 changer,great value for the price.Plays sacd's perfectly and good on redbook cds.As others have stated,excellent value for the price and can be modded in the future.Mine has been going strong for three years now.Good luck
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote:
    On a more personal level, I just don't understand why one would sacrifice fidelity for convenience where audio is concerned. I am certain there are reasons for some, but not for me.

    What makes you think one must sacrifice fidelity? Sony's ES players (including changers) are some of the best in their price range both in build quality and SQ. Sony has always done CDPs well. Their chassis, lasers and mechanisms have long been used as a base for several company's "modded" players (Ah! and Heart come to mind). With a little money and time, folks like SACD-mods and others can take a base Sony and make it into something that rival many "audiophile" machines.

    Do Sony entry level players have issues?...probably...but name me a company who doesn't compromise on their entry level stuff.

    NAD made severeal very good changers. Rotel still makes the RCC-1055 changer which is an excellent CDP and is the equal to the RCD-1072 which is a highly regarded single disc player. I know because I've compared them side to side.

    Marantz currently and Denon have made some well regarded changers as well.

    It seems everyone just assumes that you give up something with a changer vs a single disc CDP. My experience is that doesn't have to be the case.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited January 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I have a 400 disc Sony DVD changer that plays SACD's, and CD's. I use an external DAC for CD playback. The convience is is worth the slightly harder to load carousel style. You can use a silver sharppie to mark the spot you reserve for rental disc's. Some complain about slow load speed, but it is much faster than looking for and loading a disc to a tray. Another advantage is that the disc is only handled to load or remove it once or twice. Careful shopping you can get one for around $300. I also have a 200disc Sony CD only player. Advantages of a combo unit is one less piece of gear in the case, and you will have one set less of wires to run. With an outboard DAC the Sony CD changer gives my modded Denon 2900 a some decent competition.

    Agree completely, many advantages and save much shelf space.
  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    shack wrote: »
    What makes you think one must sacrifice fidelity? Sony's ES players (including changers) are some of the best in their price range both in build quality and SQ. Sony has always done CDPs well. Their chassis, lasers and mechanisms have long been used as a base for several company's "modded" players (Ah! and Heart come to mind). With a little money and time, folks like SACD-mods and others can take a base Sony and make it into something that rival many "audiophile" machines.

    Do Sony entry level players have issues?...probably...but name me a company who doesn't compromise on their entry level stuff.

    NAD made severeal very good changers. Rotel still makes the RCC-1055 changer which is an excellent CDP and is the equal to the RCD-1072 which is a highly regarded single disc player. I know because I've compared them side to side.

    Marantz currently and Denon have made some well regarded changers as well.

    It seems everyone just assumes that you give up something with a changer vs a single disc CDP. My experience is that doesn't have to be the case.

    I would agree that there are exceptions to my general statement. I have heard very good things about the ES line from Sony. But for $300, I would imagine "entry-level" is where the OP is going to land with regard to a changer. For that money, he could find a good sounding single-disc player. I have hated every changer I have ever had contact with is all I am saying. ;)
    -Kevin
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    VTL 2.5
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    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2010
    vc69 wrote:
    I would agree that there are exceptions to my general statement. I have heard very good things about the ES line from Sony. But for $300, I would imagine "entry-level" is where the OP is going to land with regard to a changer. For that money, he could find a good sounding single-disc player. I have hated every changer I have ever had contact with is all I am saying. ;)

    I have a couple of well regarded (and very good to my ear) single disc CDPs that gather dust because they rarely get used. The fact that for similar $ the changers I own offer equal to or better than SQ of my single disc players and the fuctionality and ease of play for more than one disc is superior in my mind. I often put in 5 discs and sit down for the evening with the remote and just listen. No getting up to change discs. If I want to do that...I'll put on some vinyl. ;)

    I believe the OP has been given some options of changers in his price range by Marantz, Onkyo and Yamaha that will give him good fidelity and are better than what I would consider an entry level player. He even has the option down the road to add outboard DAC which could enchance the SQ of the player without a significant increase in costs.

    The cool thing about audio is there are lots of ways reach the level of satisfaction that allows on to enjoy the hobby. It doesn't have to be "cookie cutter".
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  • sk1939
    sk1939 Posts: 295
    edited January 2010
    That is true, and although CD changers do have problems, I can tell you with 100% certainty that anything with moving parts will have a problem at some point. CD changers do offer alot of convenience. I mean you can find a Sony CDP CX355 for about $170, and either pocket the difference or get a DAC.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
    My Denon 2900 is notorious for having read issues. Both my Sony 200 and 400 disc changers are solid.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2010
    I'd have to agree, never had any reading problems with my cheaper Sonys and they're not 'bad' even without a better outboard DAC. Of course they could use the DACs.

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  • ScudDawg
    ScudDawg Posts: 68
    edited January 2010
    I have my 200 disc Sony for over 7 years with not a single problem.
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  • mrbofus
    mrbofus Posts: 297
    edited January 2010
    Never heard one, but this new one from Marantz sure looks cool:
    http://us.marantz.com/Products/3069.asp

    Boy I kinda opened a BIG can of worms with this thread. Many opinions, good bad or indifferent and I appreciate all the input.
    The above Marantz grabbed my eye a while back. Its a bit more than I want to spend but....
    Anyone care to comment on the marantz product??
    Right now the Onkyo is leading the list, affordable and I do like the convienence of a changer vs single dics. So far I have pretty good luck with electronics and I am pretty easy on equipment. I agree with some opinions and dont have enough experience to disagree with others. So let the debate continue. Time will be my experience>
    I would really like any input on the Marantz line if you have any experience.
    Thanks
    Greg
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    Onkyo TX SR-507 AVR
    Onkyo DX-C390 CD Changer
    POLK RTI8 Mains--Cherry
    the rest...in process...slowly!!
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2010
    Marantz makes decent gear. I have heard a couple of Marantz SACD players on several occasions and they sounded excellent on SACD and pretty good on redbook CDs.

    Audio Advisor has them with free shipping and a 30 day no questions return policy. It might be worth trying out.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MACC4003
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  • mrbofus
    mrbofus Posts: 297
    edited January 2010
    shack wrote: »

    The cool thing about audio is there are lots of ways reach the level of satisfaction that allows one to enjoy the hobby. It doesn't have to be "cookie cutter".

    I am planning on ordering the Onkyo changer today. I really like the looks and warranty of the marantz but its a bit more than I can spend right now.
    I will keep you informed of the results and impressions when I get a chance to hear it.
    And as stated above.................that sums it up.
    Thanks All
    -Greg
    Sharp Aqous 40" LCD
    Onkyo TX SR-507 AVR
    Onkyo DX-C390 CD Changer
    POLK RTI8 Mains--Cherry
    the rest...in process...slowly!!
  • mrbofus
    mrbofus Posts: 297
    edited January 2010
    As mentioned I ordered the Onkyo DX-C390 and it arrived Yesterday. I know opinions varied greatly on this subject but this was only my second upgrade in 20 yrs.So I am pretty excited. The Onkyo 507 being my first, 2 month ago. I havent hooked it up but it does look pretty good. I hope my luck is as good with this unit as my last one.
    I will give my impressions when I get it hooked up this weeked.
    Thanks again for all the input given on this topic.
    -Greg
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    Onkyo TX SR-507 AVR
    Onkyo DX-C390 CD Changer
    POLK RTI8 Mains--Cherry
    the rest...in process...slowly!!