Carver stuff

Big Dan R
Big Dan R Posts: 131
edited December 2009 in Electronics
Im interested in hearing any feedback on Carver amps, pre and tuners. How does Carver compare to Adcom ect?
Thanks,
Dan
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  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited April 2003
    I just picked up an M-200t for 115, shipped, off of ebay. Nice amp, I will probably Biamp a center channel with it. I havent listened to it long enough to give you the full run down. It has spring clips, which might be a problem if you are running preterminated wire, but otherwise you should be ok. I have the C-1. M-500t and M-1.0t, as well, but Im not going to give you a review because I dont have much to compare it to. Blows the pants off my JVC receiver, however.
  • stubby
    stubby Posts: 723
    edited April 2003
    Carver gear was the first equipment I have used that would let my speakers really breathe. They always sounded compressed or held back. With Carver stuff they are just so much more dynamic without losing transparency or subtlety.
    I always wanted to try a top of the line Adcom amp and pre, especially a pair of old 565 monos with a 565 pre or a 5802 amp with a 750 pre.

    Stubby
    SRS 3.1TL
    Harman Kardon Citation 5.1
    Anthem AVM2



  • jmasterj
    jmasterj Posts: 327
    edited April 2003
    Hey Big Dan R,

    Welcome to the forum, back in the day the mid 80's I use to have a Carver M1.5t power amp, and C-2 pre-amp. This combo was really nice with the Polk SDA-2's I miss it. I let it get away from me. It was the best 2 channel system I've owned. Today I have a Carver TFM 35x though not a powerful as the M1.5t was it still kicks my RT1000i's. I can't wait to hear the LSIi 15's on this amp. Never had any Adcom, dont know any one who has any.
    JmasterJ Polk to the Death
  • MxStYlEpOlKmAn
    MxStYlEpOlKmAn Posts: 2,116
    edited April 2003
    Adcom makes SUPERB STUFF! They are heavy, very CLEAN and CONSERVATIVE power. They have 0 coloration of sound and are very good for the price. Their 60 watt can run 500 watt speakers with ease!
    Damn you all, damn you all to hell.......
    I promised myself
    No more speakers. None. Nada. And then you posted this!!!!
    Damn you all! - ATC
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2003
    No coloration with the Carvers. Almost clinical sounding. Not always the most pleasant sound but very dynamic, clean and true. Too much so in my opinion. No soul. Don't get me wrong, I love mine but most of the time I prefer something more musical and less clinical. (I'm sure I probably spelled clinical wrong).
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • SDA SRS 1.2
    SDA SRS 1.2 Posts: 255
    edited April 2003
    All I can say is my 1.2's love the clean powerful sound of the TFM-45. With a dedicated outlet, the 45 can really rock and roll! The TX-11b pulls in distant stations clearly and has AM stereo. The C-16 preamp has so many features, I'm still learning what it can do after owning it for over 13 years! Well built and highly compatible with the Polks.
    Main System: Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers, Sunfire Signature 600~two Amp, Carver C-16 Preamp, Carver TX-11b Tuner, Marantz 6350Q TT, Philips CDR-775 Recorder, Teac V-707RX Cassette Deck, Signal Cable Double Run Speaker Cable

    Upstairs Den: Marantz 2325 Receiver, Marantz 5220 Cassette Deck, Marantz HD-880 Speakers, Marantz 6370Q TT

    Exercise (Kabuki speaker) Room: Kenwood KR-9600 Receiver, Pioneer CS-99a Speakers, Sansui SP-X9000 Speakers (not pretty, but LOUD! :) )
  • axeman
    axeman Posts: 170
    edited April 2003
    I have owned the C-1 and C2, and I currently have a PM-1200 and a PM1.5T bi-amping my 1.2 TL's and lemme tell you how sweet the sound is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You can't go wrong with Carver gear!

    Peace
    Joe
  • Big Dan R
    Big Dan R Posts: 131
    edited April 2003
    Ok Guys, now the match up: Carver vs Adcom.
    To drive 1 pair of Polk 2.3TL's..

    Adcom GFA 555 ll power amp w GFP 565 pre amp OR Carver M 1.5t power amp w C 1 pre amp. Which system should win??

    Thanks again,
    Big Dan and the ghost of Howard Cosell
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited April 2003
    my completely partisan opinion is the carver, just because I own it and hope so! If you do a head to head, let me know!
  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,124
    edited April 2003
    Dan,

    I don't have a TON of experience with Adcom gear, a buddy of mine has a nice little Adcom rig and it is good stuff. I have a carver C-1 and m1.5t with in my 2ch rig. I love the m1.5t, great sounding amp. I like the C-1, it's a good preamp. IMO it adds just a bit of warmth to the m1.5t. Highly recommend that setup.

    I think it's pretty much a win-win deal either way. For the record, with the m1.5t, most of my listening is done with an Adcom SLC-505 passive preamp.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2003
    BDR,
    Another big thumbs up for the M1.5t. Great powerhouse of an amp that made my SRS's VERY happy for over a decade.

    Never owned Carver pre-amps, went from Yamaha to B&K. Point is don't overlook mixing manufacturers.... it's part of the beauty of going the separates route.

    EDIT: Almost forgot, if you go M1.5t via ebay or such, go for serial number 10,000+, or an earlier one that has been serviced by Carver. Deal is the 1.5's went through a couple mod's during their production run and got sweeter sounding. I am the original owner of #2787 and had to send it in a few a years ago for a repair. They threw in tweaks that brought it up to the level of last ones produced. Difference was both noticeable and enjoyable.

    BTW going ebay prices have been $350 to 450 depending on cosmetic condition with a couple outliers higher (including one that went for an unbelievable $700). Since Iraq listings have fallen off, but prices have too. Cosmetics vary a great deal as many of these amps were used in DJ rigs and have quite a few "battle scars".
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
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  • Big Dan R
    Big Dan R Posts: 131
    edited April 2003
    Great info guys, what is the difference between the Carver TFM, M1.5t and M- 500t amp model lines?
    Thanks,
    Dan
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited April 2003
    A lot of the TFM amps are M-X.Xt amps in new clothing. (Uglier clothing if you ask me). I dont think the M-500t has a TFM conterpart. I own the M-500t and I like it a lot. I have an M-1.0t as well, and I might be looking to pass it off to someone, because I would rather have two M-500's. Let me know by email if in the future you decide to go carver.
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2003
    Believe Cer's right about the TFM line's origins (and agree with his looks assessment).

    As for the 1.5 vs. the 500... the 500 is just lower powered (about 50% as I recall), has analog output meters and is not a common ground design (odd because I believe all the other M's were).
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • Big Dan R
    Big Dan R Posts: 131
    edited April 2003
    What if any is the difference between the Carver M1.5 and the 1.5T?
    Thanks,
    Dan
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited April 2003
    T stands for transfer function. Its some sort of improvement, but beyond that I really can't comment
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited April 2003
    I'm reaching here (and a little too busy/ lazy to pulll an old reference), but as I recall the "t-function" was a previously undefined amp quality that Bob Carver quantified and believed gave different amps their "sound".
    He then developed the "t" line to mimic a famous amp line (some said it was Krell). Later on, after he designed his Silver Seven tube amp, he mimicked it. The M-4.0t Silver Seven was the most famous example of this.
    Whether a difference can be heard is up to the individual. But as I said earlier, I thought my updated M1.5t came back from Carver sounding better than ever.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • lukewayne
    lukewayne Posts: 80
    edited December 2009
    or for short, t is supposed to add a tube sound.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    wow all I have to do now is add the letter t to the ARV-785 to my dennon to give it tube sound, and you guys have been spending big bucks all this time.
  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited December 2009
    My Carver M1.5t hooked up to my 2.3tl's sound awesome I had it hooked up to a Adcom GFA 545II and also a Rotel RB990BX and the Carver sounded best out of the three with the Rotel in a close second and the Adcom in a close third. The Adcom has nowhere near the power of the other two so one has to take that into consideration. If you get any older Carver stuff you will do well to have it re-built, re-calibrated and upgraded for optimum sound.
    As with any obsession, err hobby you will to experiment and draw your own conclusions to suite your tastes.

    Kevin
  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited December 2009
    Uh, you guys realize this thread is over 6 1/2 years old don't you?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2009
    Fongolio wrote: »
    Uh, you guys realize this thread is over 6 1/2 years old don't you?

    I wonder if Big Dan R stuck around for 6 years waiting for a response? :D
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2009
    Yes I did hence my smartarse comment. I think that the t does not need to be explained especial in a thread that has been dead for 6 years