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We just got two new Samsung Plasmas this past week for our down stairs and game room for a total of 1600 bucks. 42" down and 50" in the game room and both look great.. , I think for the price especially since some plasmas are now being energy star certified that plasma was definitely the right way to go for us. They may not be top of the line plasmas but they look darn good.Main 2ch -
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This is one case to where I can honestly say that tubes do not rule.
Congrat's on the new Plasma Venom.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I would be careful about taking plasma energy star certification too seriously. They often are certified on a setting that isn't optimal for viewing. Just accept that the extra power is getting you a better picture and enjoy it.
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bigaudiofanatic wrote: »They are cheap enough to buy right now! If you have the money.
I like that
Not sure if that was your intent, but it gave me a chuckle.
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Thanks guy's. So far so good.
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I would be careful about taking plasma energy star certification too seriously. They often are certified on a setting that isn't optimal for viewing. Just accept that the extra power is getting you a better picture and enjoy it.
EnergyStar isn't what matters. Its the tested power usage. If you check the tests, you will see that the newest Panny Plasmas really don't draw that much power when correctly calibrated (ie: not torch mode). Crutchfield and CNET both do real world testing of wattage after calibration. I believe the G10, 50" uses less than 250 watts on average when calibrated. G15 should be similar. Most LCDs are not much better. Compare that to my older 42" panny PZ700 which draws a whopping 450watts when calibrated. Plasmas got a bad rap because of models like those, but the newest Pannys are quite efficient. -
Plasmas rule!
I Love my KURO!!!HT:
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digitalvideo wrote: »Where did you get a Pioneer Kuro for $1100? Which model was it and how old is it? I'm looking at buying another Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro but I can't find one under $2000, even used ones on ebay, Craigslist, amazon are still almost as much as what I paid for mine new, they hold their value better than any tv I ever seen. Elite Kuro Pro's are going for $2300-$3300 still.
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I got my KURO from them, great service, quick shipping and they ARE authorized dealers.HT:
Projector - JVC HD100, 100" Fixed Screen, A/V Receiver - Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH, Power Conditioner - Panamax M5300-EX, BluRay - Sony PS3, (2) ADCOM GFA 555 Bridged, Speakers - LSi 15, LSi C, LSi FX, Sub - 12" M&K VX-1250.
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EnergyStar isn't what matters. Its the tested power usage. If you check the tests, you will see that the newest Panny Plasmas really don't draw that much power when correctly calibrated (ie: not torch mode). Crutchfield and CNET both do real world testing of wattage after calibration. I believe the G10, 50" uses less than 250 watts on average when calibrated. G15 should be similar. Most LCDs are not much better. Compare that to my older 42" panny PZ700 which draws a whopping 450watts when calibrated. Plasmas got a bad rap because of models like those, but the newest Pannys are quite efficient.
It's actually the CNET reviews that have reservations about the V10 and G10 power usage:Panasonic touts the G10 series' power-saving chops, thanks to its so-called NEO PDP panel. But in reality, this is still one of the more energy-hogging TVs you can buy (see Power consumption). The set's ECO menu allows only automatic turn-off functions; it doesn't offer a specific power saving mode that affects power draw when the TV's turned on.
Although they didn't measure the 50" G10 calibrated power draw, the 46" was 281.18 watts.
The 50" V10 calibrated was 294.42 watts.
And for comparison, the Samsung LN52B750 52" LCD calibrated was 128.86 watts.
I pay more attention to picture quality than power consumption, so these numbers aren't too relevant to my own buying decisions. Granted, power consumption has improved on the plasma side. But it's also come down on the LCD side as well so there remains a gap for those concerned about such things... -
It's actually the CNET reviews that have reservations about the V10 and G10 power usage:
Although they didn't measure the 50" G10 calibrated power draw, the 46" was 281.18 watts.
The 50" V10 calibrated was 294.42 watts.
And for comparison, the Samsung LN52B750 52" LCD calibrated was 128.86 watts.
I pay more attention to picture quality than power consumption, so these numbers aren't too relevant to my own buying decisions. Granted, power consumption has improved on the plasma side. But it's also come down on the LCD side as well so there remains a gap for those concerned about such things...
I had looked at the Crutchfield #s, which were ~230W;
Crutchfield has the LN52B750 at ~198W
I guess there will be quite a bit of variance depending on calibration, most likely affected by in the white level settings (contrast).
I'm reading now that Crutchfield tests using 'factory default' levels. I could swear that when they first started doing this, they tested w/calibrated settings. Oh well. I guess I'll ignore their results from now on. -
Also notice that going from default settings to calibrated increases power consumption for plasmas but decreases it for LCDs.
Coming off 'torch' mode allows LCDs to save power. But plasma power saving settings tend to give you a non-optimal picture. -
I find it somewhat funny that power consumption is even an issue. I could see if it was way out of whack,but it isn't. Considering also,that alot of you drool over that next monster amp or subwoofer,non issue for me for the quality you get.
Where did I get a Kuro for 1100.?
Cruising craigslist one day,a local TV store had a floor demo,last one. Needless to say,I snatched it up. My only regret is I couldn't find a 60 incher for a good price. Seriously,folks,you won't find a better picture than a kuro. The end.HT SYSTEM-
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I find it somewhat funny that power consumption is even an issue. I could see if it was way out of whack,but it isn't. Considering also,that alot of you drool over that next monster amp or subwoofer,non issue for me for the quality you get.
I don't know about you, but I like my room to stay comfortable while viewing a movie or TV show. Simple fact is that power consumption=heat. I don't like my TV heating up the room. Unfortunately, the little 42" Plasma that I've got in my bedroom is one of the more power hungry ones ever made in its size. It pulls more than 450 watts. It really does heat up the room after a hour or so. Another unfortunate problem is that our bedroom has the weakest flow of AC in the whole house. That combo means the room gets hot in the summer months while watching TV. I really would love to have one of the newer, more power efficient models, but for the time, we are stuck with the power hungry model. -
I don't know about you, but I like my room to stay comfortable while viewing a movie or TV show. Simple fact is that power consumption=heat. I don't like my TV heating up the room. Unfortunately, the little 42" Plasma that I've got in my bedroom is one of the more power hungry ones ever made in its size. It pulls more than 450 watts. It really does heat up the room after a hour or so. Another unfortunate problem is that our bedroom has the weakest flow of AC in the whole house. That combo means the room gets hot in the summer months while watching TV. I really would love to have one of the newer, more power efficient models, but for the time, we are stuck with the power hungry model.
I was concerned over the heat issue, as I had never owned a plasma before now. The Sony LCD I had recently put oit very little heat, and living in FL, heat is not good. So far I can say that I find the plasma no hotter than the LCD it just replaced. It runs very cool to the touch. I am not sure of the G15's have a fan, because I feel air flow running out the vents. I also used a 1" spacer to keep the tv off the wall for better flow. The PLasmas in the stores got pretty warm, but as I break in myine 5-8 hours a day, I find it pretty cool.
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