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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited June 2009
    Congrats. You think you're happy now? Just wait till you hear what that amp can do for your speakers!

    Welcome to the Sunfire Family!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,930
    edited June 2009
    maybe we need a Sunfire owner's thread like those EMO boys have theirs...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    You're building my excitement up all over again. Although it hasn't dropped too much from Sun. Morn.:D
    I need a couple of days to try and set it up right....
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    I replaced the SDA interconnect sockets today on both speakers today. I'll start on the electronics set up soon...Very soon.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    I'm fixing the caps on my SDA's now but I did hook it up with some rotel gear and a pr. of Newform Reseach r645's and it powers well. I have to turn the pre-amp up to 10 and above to really play at a medium level and up to 11.5 to play loud but putting at 12:00 takes the volume on my speakers past what I feel is nessesary. Is there an impedance issue here? I think so.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,930
    edited June 2009
    hey Tony... Is the sunfire in the mix yet?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    Hey John, Yes it is . With the rotel stuff. I'll try an older kenwood pre-amp and see what happens with the volume issue. The sound stage is nothing like I heard with the polks either. It's there but just isn't WIDE...Oh how the bass is tight and solid. I guess this is what I've read about for thirty yrs.I've never done an A/B comparison but my hobby is progressing now.
    How's you're giant set sounding?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,930
    edited June 2009
    Spectacular thanks for asking!
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    :D:D:D I can imagine :D:D:D
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,930
    edited June 2009
    I think your troubles lie somewhere in the SDA connections or perhaps phase issue.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    Hey John,
    You misunderstood me I think. ..I'm listening to a set of Newform Research R645 speakers right now with my best system set-up.It's very nice indeed but I want to have my SDA caps put back on to seal the 4 holes each one requires to mount before I test the Carver on them. I'm slow getting to it I know but I will. I will, I will.
    I also found a triangular tear that you can put your little finger through on one of the 15" subs rubber surround. I fixed that real easy.I don't know how I missed it but I have been feeling real rough in the past 9 months.I thought the the bass was awsome before, whooh....what will it be like now:rolleyes:
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,930
    edited June 2009
    lol.... my bad. I will go sulk in a corner now;)...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon MiND2 Shunyata Triton

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited June 2009
    Well I got up the energy and went out to listen to some thriller and I did then some other music and I thought it still sounded compressed. I had found a ULTEC cd player years ago at a pawn shop and knew it is high end so I just swaped players and wow. I gained 4 ft to each side of the R645's.:cool:. The detail is even better.I'm going to glue one of the SDA caps back together now.One step closer;)to SDA land.

    It must be 100* outside.:eek:. whew.glad I don't have to work in it this yr. the tv shows it's only 88. feels alot hotter.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited July 2009
    I forgot to continue this thread with updates..SORRY. Well the caps were reglued and put back on. The 15" passive was repaired as I said earlier. The interconnect sockets were replaced as I said earlier. New interconnect cable was bought thru POLK audio. I purchased 4 new RDO-194 tweeters from POLK. The sound kept getting better and it was great to begin with except spuratic distortion here and there.

    Well , my friend John from SC. came up and while he was here we heard the distortion again later that night. John noticed a mwoofer not moving in unison with the other three. He was right! I had rewired it wrong or it WAS wired wrong from the begining. Now the SDA's are even better.

    It's funny how you think something sounds great and then you change something and ** It seems to sound better. I just thought of the old saying,"you can't miss what you've never had"
    I think it applies to my advancement into finer gear and SDA technology.

    I'm really glad you guys nudged me to buy this amp. I can't think of ever wanting to upgrade this at all.;)

    Also, The Sunfire amp is always cool to the touch ,no matter how much I play or how loud.I am very impressed with it.;)

    I now have to move some speakers out of the way so I can place the SDA's against the wall. The Owners manual says the bass will increase the closer they are. That should balance their sound better for they are just a little on the bright side.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • thuffman03
    thuffman03 Posts: 1,325
    edited July 2009
    tony millard wrote: »
    Also, The Sunfire amp is always cool to the touch ,no matter how much I play or how loud.I am very impressed with it.;)

    Got to love Sunfire amps. Loads of power that runs so cool. Bob Carver is truely a god in the audio world.
    Sunfire TGP, Sunfire Cinema Grand, Sunfire 300~2 (2), Sunfire True Sub (2),Carver ALS Platinum, Carver AL III, TFM-55, C-19, C-9, TX-8, SDA-490t, SDA-390t
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  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited July 2009
    have any of you have had the chance to compare sunfire amps to say classe, macintoch, jeff Rowland, Mark Levinson, Krell, Bryston etc.
    I wounder how does the sunfire stack up when comparing to these amps?
    I had a rotel amp for a couple of days before buying the sunfire and since then I have not been able to make any comparisons.
    Current HT setup
    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
    Surround: Polk FXi3
    Sub: Velodyne DLS-3750R
    Receiver: Pioneer SC-07
    Amplifier: Sunfire TGA5200
    TV: Sony KDS60A2020
    DBP: Sony DBP-S350
    CDP: Pioneer DV-48AV
    Interconnect cables: SignalCable analog II
    speaker cables: SignalCable Ultra Speaker Cables Bi-wire
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited July 2009
    You mean besides costing a fraction of those makes?
    TNRabbit
    NO Polk Audio Equipment :eek:
    Sunfire TG-IV
    Ashly 1001 Active Crossover
    Rane PEQ-15 Parametric Equalizers x 2
    Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature Seven
    Carver AL-III Speakers
    Klipsch RT-12d Subwoofer
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2009
    Bingo! While it might be nice to compare, Why bother... because of the "name"? Who cares.

    As it is the Sunfire isn't exactly cheap new or used. It's main benefits are loads of power at a reasonable weight. That's why I got one.:)
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    You mean besides costing a fraction of those makes?
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited July 2009
    I've owned Onkyo Integra M-504's, Harman Kardon Citation 22? Rotel RMB 985? and I guess they all sound a little different to me but I liked them all just as much as this Sunfire in their own ways.

    This is a hobby for me. I use to be a perfectionist about everything!, but life and working has worn down my desire for that considerably.Sound stages are cool, depth , pressence I now can identify and enjoy.I'm happy in this respect.

    A Sunfire with wattage meters would be real cool .:cool: I know a couple of amps or a receiver or two heated up pretty well after I bought the SDA's and was experimenting with what it took to power them.What ever is going on in this sunfire ,I still like the sound that comes though my speakers still. That's what it's about in a nut shell for me.

    I liked KLH model 12's [my first great quality listen for the time.(advent era)]I think 30 yrs. ago and probably still would today, BUT, I'll hear what's wrong them now.:D Can't miss what I haven't heard...maybe one day I'll hear Classe' McIntosh Krell and etc. and I bet I'll like them too.:D
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited July 2009
    Don't get me wrong, I really like my sunfire, but I do wounder... Right now I am considering changing my main speakers, I been looking at the B&W 805s or 803s used of-cource. Most of the B&W are pared with rotel, classe, Mc., krell and so on. I don't find many people signature's saying they are using sunfire and hence my question.
    I might have other speaker brands in mind but one thing is for sure they seam to want power.
    What I like about the sunfire, which I bought new, is that it had the power I was looking for, it can go down to 2 ohms if nedded and most importatly it weights 40lb compare to 100-150lb for the same amp in some of the other brands.
    Again just curious, after all sunfire is a different implementation than the other amps. Even the new ICE amps are different than sunfire as far as getting to generate the power. which is what I can talk about because since I have never had an opportunity to hear them side by side I can not compare and say this A amp, or AB amp sounds about the same as my sunfire.
    Current HT setup
    Mains: B&W 804s
    Center: Polk CSi5
    Surround: Polk FXi3
    Sub: Velodyne DLS-3750R
    Receiver: Pioneer SC-07
    Amplifier: Sunfire TGA5200
    TV: Sony KDS60A2020
    DBP: Sony DBP-S350
    CDP: Pioneer DV-48AV
    Interconnect cables: SignalCable analog II
    speaker cables: SignalCable Ultra Speaker Cables Bi-wire
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited July 2009
    This is usually because the people who can afford B&W 805's can also afford amplifiers of the same price range.

    Sunfire for the price is difficult to beat in price/performance. It similar to the discussion of a Sunfire vs an Adcom... It's not that one is bad and one is good, but for the price point it's a great combination.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,624
    edited July 2009
    I agree with you olilugo, I don't see the sunfires in sigatures that much either.
    I see alot of Carver gear . I wondered about that myself. I don't know yet.

    I liked telling people to try and pick up my M-504's or the Citation 22? (50 lbs. each)but the balls they had is what's really important I know. I've read alot of posts on here the M-504 is the little guy compared to his Bigger brothers.I could only imagine their power:eek:.

    There might be a "heat = power" thing that keeps people from buying Sunfire.
    I have read also the sound output is dry to some ears.

    I'm still listening in an environment that is repulsive to any audiophile but I AM DOWNSIZING now to regain acoustical air.:D
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited July 2009
    Sounds like you're tickled with the amp, Tony.
    I'll be on the Crystal Coast Aug 14 - 21. House on the bay, shrimp, crab, eating drinking fishing. ????
    Beaufort
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited July 2009
    I'm very happy with my Sunfire/D-Sonic combo, if I ever step up and buy the Swans or B&W speakers I'll still power them with the with same combo. Sunfire is a very good amp and has excellent power. Give it a listen and if you arent happy, then Classe it is.
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  • love2listen
    love2listen Posts: 172
    edited August 2009
    Hey guys I need some feedback....I have the opportunity to buy an Emotiva XPA-5 or a Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 and am wondering which would be best at driving my Lsi15/LsiC/Lsi9's? The XPA is about 1yr old and has a transferable warranty and the Sunfire has a production date of 2001. The Sunfire is also a bit more expensive than the XPA. I use a Sony STR-DA5ES as a pre/pro and an Oppo BDP-83 for movies and music. I am currently using an Audiometric AM441 amp(circa 1980's) to power my left/right mains, but am looking to upgrade to a mult/ch amp. I use my system 50/50 for music and movies. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. :)
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited August 2009
    Welcome to CP L2L.

    Amps are designed to last for years, so I wouldn't worry about the age of the Sunfire. Both will run your LSI's with no problems & power to spare. You can't go wrong with either one.

    I love my Sunfire & will keep it till it dies.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited August 2009
    +1 on the sunfire. Built like a tank and plenty of power to spare.



    ....and it's Cathy aprroved!:D
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited August 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    +1 on the sunfire. Built like a tank and plenty of power to spare.



    ....and it's Cathy aprroved!:D

    +3, great amp and built with excellent quality.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2009
    love2listen wrote: »
    Hey guys I need some feedback....I have the opportunity to buy an Emotiva XPA-5 or a Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 and am wondering which would be best at driving my Lsi15/LsiC/Lsi9's? The XPA is about 1yr old and has a transferable warranty and the Sunfire has a production date of 2001. The Sunfire is also a bit more expensive than the XPA. I use a Sony STR-DA5ES as a pre/pro and an Oppo BDP-83 for movies and music. I am currently using an Audiometric AM441 amp(circa 1980's) to power my left/right mains, but am looking to upgrade to a mult/ch amp. I use my system 50/50 for music and movies. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. :)

    My HT is similar; 4 LSi15s and a PSB Synchrony One Center (replaced an LSiC). I am using a Sony 7100ES as a pre going to a Sunfire TGA5400, and it sounds great. I recently went Bluray with a Oppo BD83 and am just amazed at how good Bluray sounds. My vote at this time is with Sunfire.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    love2listen wrote: »
    Hey guys I need some feedback....I have the opportunity to buy an Emotiva XPA-5 or a Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 and am wondering which would be best at driving my Lsi15/LsiC/Lsi9's? The XPA is about 1yr old and has a transferable warranty and the Sunfire has a production date of 2001. The Sunfire is also a bit more expensive than the XPA. I use a Sony STR-DA5ES as a pre/pro and an Oppo BDP-83 for movies and music. I am currently using an Audiometric AM441 amp(circa 1980's) to power my left/right mains, but am looking to upgrade to a mult/ch amp. I use my system 50/50 for music and movies. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated. :)

    Welcome to the Club!
    The Sunfire Cinema Grand5 is a better amp-Go for it!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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