Tube Pre's are bandaids.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,893
    edited June 2009
    ....Ben, I do hope you are able to get the help you need to get your life back and will pray for that day to come soon.


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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited June 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    ....Ben, I do hope you are able to get the help you need to get your life back and will pray for that day to come soon.


    John


    2nded.

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2009
    Ben=Faster100
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited June 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Ben=Faster100

    Ouch
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    So not since Saint Faster have we had such sad tales. So comes Saint Ben the victim, broke, beat down, but so brave. Well the fact is you do need help and need to check in, that is for sure and I do have empathy for your little girls as they have no choice. But so much the victim ben, you know you have a problem, you know your past history is not stellar and never mind the cover story.

    You want to play hard ball ben, thats fine, but first go check in, broke??? You just posted about your vacation to Orlando???? Broke??? Why are you spending money on a hobby. You need to get your priorities straight ben, get your life squared away, then come back and you and me will play when its more of fair.

    If not you can continue playing the victim, be the Saint, heck put a statue up in front of the place of ben, give the pidgeon's a place to land and do their business. You see that tag ben??? You would be suprised if you knew who put it their, you can wallow in the pity some members feel for you but its pity it wont change a thing for you or you can stand up and do what you need to do.

    That's it, I am out.

    RT1

    Thanks Teddy the troll. As far as Orlando that was real cheap as in gas, and a little for taking the girls to go to a cheap road side amusement park. The time share is my Mom's place, and she likes to spend time with me and her grand daughters. As for my system I see you haven't noticed that I have been selling it off. Teddy you are nothing but a troll. I did nothing to you. Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning can see you came in and crapped on it and me. As for my condition it has nothing to do with alcohol, and it is none of your business. Consider my girls very lucky to have the time that we have together now. So take your next shot **** bag.
    Can we get back to tubes, or do you insist on trolling Teddy?
    Thanks again
    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Ben=Faster100

    Doro = do as I say and not as I do.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,709
    edited June 2009
    Ben, you're completely out of line. It started with the title to this thread and continued with your rather bizarre posts as pointed out by many here. You don't seem to be getting that.

    And not that Ted needs me to say anything for him, but he asked you nicely to lay off calling him Teddy. You don't seem to be getting that either.

    May I suggest that you consider laying low until you get your issues worked out for the better and come back with a clearer mind because you're not making any friends right now.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    Well I am sorry you feel I am the one that is out of line. OK some don't like the title of this thread. I am loving my latest experiences with tubes. I did not Attack Ted. He did not nicely ask me not to call him Teddy. He said only his family calls him Teddy and I am not his family. I am done. I don't get what his beef is with me. He did this a while ago unprovoked. Thanks for the advice. Plenty of others have suggested I ignore him. I would like to get back to tubes. They have really been quite the experience, and some of the Pre's as of late have busted many of the myths about tubes.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited June 2009
    Ben my friend, don't sweat it. I don't know why anyone would really care that much how you title "your" thread on Polks web site. It's not like anyone else owns or controls this web site, even though some think they do.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2009
    forget it, like I said, I am out.

    RT1
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2009
    engtaz wrote: »
    Tube pre is a band-aid until you match to a tube amp. Tube pre to ss is a type of band-aid. JMO

    I don't agree with that at all. If anything, people get to involved and start putting tubes everywhere in the mix.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    I didn't mean for this to turn into a bash fest. I just wanted to get a little positive debate going on tube gear. I got overly defensive, and I know that calling you Teddy pisses you off.
    Ben
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,669
    edited June 2009
    I did not say Tube pre sounded bad at all. I just stated that for me it all came together best with tube pre and tube amp and tube CD player. That's why I stated Just My Opinion JMO. What's great about audio is that, it is in the ears of the beholder. I do not tell others what they should like without saying that it my opinion and you need to make you own. I will agree with you disagreement.
    engtaz

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    Well one thing that concerns me is if everything is tubed from the source to the amps is there a synergy issue? To many tubes? How would a bunch of tubes play together? My fear is tube rolling would have me chasing my tail.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Ben
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited June 2009
    engtaz wrote: »
    I did not say Tube pre sounded bad at all. I just stated that for me it all came together best with tube pre and tube amp and tube CD player. That's why I stated Just My Opinion JMO. What's great about audio is that, it is in the ears of the beholder. I do not tell others what they should like without saying that it my opinion and you need to make you own. I will agree with you disagreement.

    I know what JMO means. Anything you type is your opinion...why bother adding any jingle at all? I get it.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • blakeh
    blakeh Posts: 491
    edited June 2009
    In my main system I went the opposite direction of what most people do when they get into tubes. I have tubed amps, but decided on a SS preamp (though it is also made by the same company and has some characteristics of the tube sound). In my secondary rig I have a tubed pre and a tubed amp and while I love listening to music on that system because of the pleasant harmonic distortion, I still prefer my main system because of the clarity and imaging.

    That's been my experience so far, but I intend to try at least a few more permutations before I make a final decision on just where to have tubes in the signal path.
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  • Lsi9
    Lsi9 Posts: 616
    edited June 2009
    My integrated has a tube pre section with SS amps and it sounds so sweet so there are exceptions

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited June 2009
    Just an observation:
    Ben...Your OP did sound like a car dealership trying to lure you in to buy a car.
    Ted...You came out windmilling without a clear objective to denouncce what this thread was all about.
    Ben.. You do get a little pissy sometimes.
    Ted .. You too.
    Ben.. I've learned a lot from you. As eccentric as you are and having to decipher what you said.
    Ted.. You could teach others if you could stop making yourself look like the know all be all and making some of the new folks afraid to ask questions.
    Ben.. Lay off the martyr syndrome.
    Ted..You do seem to have a beef with Ben. What say you keep it between you and him on a PM basis. ??
    Ben.... Keep an open mind to what others think.
    Ted .. Keep an open mind to what others think.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,709
    edited June 2009
    It's kinda hard to have a clear objective when the subject matter was so obtuse, eh?
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    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    obtuse--: not clear or precise in thought or expression

    I love that word.:cool:
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,669
    edited June 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I know what JMO means. Anything you type is your opinion...why bother adding any jingle at all? I get it.

    Yes, I know I have a problem with one line statements. At least I’m pretty consistent. LOL
    engtaz

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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited June 2009
    george daniel wrote: »
    obtuse--: not clear or precise in thought or expression

    I love that word.:cool:

    Everytime i hear or read that word i can only thing of Andy Dufresne. Love that movie


    Pauly
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    Pauly wrote: »
    Everytime i hear or read that word i can only thing of Andy Dufresne. Love that movie


    Pauly


    Thats the first thing that I thought of too,, Warden,, don't be so "obtuse",,says Andy..:)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,938
    edited June 2009
    george daniel wrote: »
    obtuse--: not clear or precise in thought or expression

    I love that word.:cool:

    Me, too... but much of the time, folks use the word obtuse when they really mean to say abstruse.

    obtuse: not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.

    abstruse: hard to understand; recondite; esoteric

    Sadly, some folks are just a little bit obtuse when it comes to abstruse concepts.

    (N.B. the definitions above are from www.dictionary.com )
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    So,, would Both words apply here? :)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,938
    edited June 2009
    seems like it...
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    What do you guys think of these tubes?
    Electro-harmonix 6922
    Sovtek 6N30PI
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Ben
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    So,, Pre amplifiers can sometimes be Abstruse or Obtuse,,and possibly both,depending upon circuit design I guess. :o
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2009
    lightman1 wrote:
    Just an observation:
    Ben...Your OP did sound like a car dealership trying to lure you in to buy a car.
    Ted...You came out windmilling without a clear objective to denouncce what this thread was all about.
    Ben.. You do get a little pissy sometimes.
    Ted .. You too.
    Ben.. I've learned a lot from you. As eccentric as you are and having to decipher what you said.
    Ted.. You could teach others if you could stop making yourself look like the know all be all and making some of the new folks afraid to ask questions.
    Ben.. Lay off the martyr syndrome.
    Ted..You do seem to have a beef with Ben. What say you keep it between you and him on a PM basis. ??
    Ben.... Keep an open mind to what others think.
    Ted .. Keep an open mind to what others think.

    Another Dr. Phil wannabe....:rolleyes:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    What do you guys think of these tubes?
    Electro-harmonix 6922
    Sovtek 6N30PI

    Tubes?
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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