I've got it all wrong...

cstmar01
cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
edited March 2010 in The Clubhouse
Well according to some places I've got this whole hobby backwards. I should be running test on all my gear, using a mic on everything to measure performance, buy the cheapest amp and other gear to use, and also use a coat hanger for my connections....

So I just wanted to say thank you to all those that are willing to let your ears decide, give good straight advice, and that realize even the amp that can measure the greatest in everything can sound like crap when in a system.

I'm never leaving here. :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    Well said Grasshopper!:D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited March 2010
    Your new amp measures terribly. May as well just leave it here. :D
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited March 2010
    Some of the worst spec'd equipment I've used often sounds better than the super spec stuff.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Your new amp measures terribly. May as well just leave it here. :D

    hmm well according to people I have to test it, guess I'll just have to give it to you Ben. JK. I hate people today, well not you guys because I've never had a problem with Club Polk but some other boards just whahahhiadhfiasdfdahfda.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,211
    edited March 2010
    Now you need to find some SDA's for your 2 channel setup for that 5802 of yours, I bet you would sell those A9's.:)
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    well I'm using the A9's for HT but if I can find some SDA's and move to a place that I can have enough room for them to be properly set up I would do it in a heart beat as I wanted to do a dedicated 2 channel system.
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  • Amherst
    Amherst Posts: 695
    edited March 2010
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    hmm well according to people I have to test it, guess I'll just have to give it to you Ben. JK. I hate people today, well not you guys because I've never had a problem with Club Polk but some other boards just whahahhiadhfiasdfdahfda.

    It's something you have raised this discussion.

    There is a thread over at the "science" forum discussing the merits of outboard vs. internal amplification. What a mess they have going there. A bunch of ignorant know-nothings claiming the impossibility to discern one amp from ANY other, be it internal or not!
    Then the thread degraded more from there. Totally unbelievable and unreal.

    I'm Thankful for the great membership here.
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    Dynaudio Contour 3.3, Dynaudio Contour T2.1, Polk OWM3, Polk DSW micropro 1000 (x2),
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,994
    edited March 2010
    If you wanted a 2-channel rig, all you had to was ask.

    What do you have to sell and given that, what's your budget? 2 channel does not have to be a bank breaker.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    treitz3 wrote: »
    If you wanted a 2-channel rig, all you had to was ask.

    What do you have to sell and given that, what's your budget? 2 channel does not have to be a bank breaker.

    right now I'm just starting to gather the stuff for a 2 channel. I have the pre on order the Parasound 2100, got the interconnects, and I got the amp. Right now I was going to run it all through my HT as I felt I didn't have enough room to have something properly set up. Living room is 14X16 while the bedrooms are smaller. So for now I was just going to be using the A9's unless I find some good bookshelves and a sub and do a 2.1. I have some ideas of what I was going to do, Focal 706v's possibly, but if I found some SDA's for a good price and they would work in one of my rooms. hehehehhe
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Who recommended the coat hanger for connections?
    Coat hangers aren't really flexible enough for that.
    They also won't work for the HDMI and you only can get half a connection on the RCA's.;)

    lol. yeah it was a funny suggestion but the guy was serious. I just can't believe some suggestions sometimes. Even though the forum can have its moments here, I enjoy it so much more and don't feel like I want to throw my computer out the window when I read posts.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    Amherst wrote: »
    It's something you have raised this discussion.

    There is a thread over at the "science" forum discussing the merits of outboard vs. internal amplification. What a mess they have going there. A bunch of ignorant know-nothings claiming the impossibility to discern one amp from ANY other, be it internal or not!
    Then the thread degraded more from there. Totally unbelievable and unreal.

    I'm Thankful for the great membership here.

    there's more. just look in the 2 channel section. There are plenty of fun ones to read and how they must "test" everything and that if an amp colors music in any way, then it must be working improperly. just makes my head hurt.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited March 2010
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    there's more. just look in the 2 channel section. There are plenty of fun ones to read and how they must "test" everything and that if an amp colors music in any way, then it must be working improperly. just makes my head hurt.

    Bingo.

    Because how do you know if the amp is coloring anything? You don't. Nobody knows exactly how the recording should sound on perfectly 100% neutral transparent gear, because that gear doesn't exist. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you move on and just start trying to find what sounds good to you.

    Wait on pulling the trigger on speakers for your 2-channel (unless you find a great deal on SDAs or something) until you come down here.

    I'm going to turn you on to Paradigms. Deal with it. :p
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    Well I haven't bought anything yet. I was also looking at getting a new projector butttt, I may wait a bit on that. So I'll see what I can find for some nice speakers. I wanted to try something different than polks. However I still might try and take that guy up on the LSI7's he had. not sure though. We'll see I guess. I wouldn't mind trying some digms sometime.

    PS I don't know how to mutliquote here so I'm still learning!!!!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited March 2010
    cstmar01, IIRC you are in Wisconsin? You can come to Rockford anytime we have our local meets. We might try to squeeze one more in before the Summer has all of us too busy. We call ourselves the Rockford Audio Society and we have quite a selection of gear and speakers. If you ever want to get you ears on some SDA's or vintage Monitors or Maggies or tubes or modded DAC's or MIT cables, etc.........our door is always open......err,,,,,,I mean the rabbit hole goes deep

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    cstmar01, IIRC you are in Wisconsin? You can come to Rockford anytime we have our local meets. We might try to squeeze one more in before the Summer has all of us too busy. We call ourselves the Rockford Audio Society and we have quite a selection of gear and speakers. If you ever want to get you ears on some SDA's or vintage Monitors or Maggies or tubes or modded DAC's or MIT cables, etc.........our door is always open......err,,,,,,I mean the rabbit hole goes deep

    H9

    Hey you forgot turntables in that list . . . I resent that!:p:D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    PS I don't know how to mutliquote here so I'm still learning!!!!

    Click the little multi-quote box next to the QUOTE button on as many posts you want to quote then on the last post you want to quote click the QUOTE button and voila, there you have it.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    cstmar01, IIRC you are in Wisconsin? You can come to Rockford anytime we have our local meets. We might try to squeeze one more in before the Summer has all of us too busy. We call ourselves the Rockford Audio Society and we have quite a selection of gear and speakers. If you ever want to get you ears on some SDA's or vintage Monitors or Maggies or tubes or modded DAC's or MIT cables, etc.........our door is always open......err,,,,,,I mean the rabbit hole goes deep

    H9

    Sound like a good time to me! Just let me know when things are happening and I'll try and make it down. Rockford is about a 2.5-3 hour drive for me so its not all that bad. I really do want to get my ears on some SDA's so that would be really nice to do so.

    And I know I'm going to be around this hobby for a long long time thanks to you guys :)
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    oh and FYI I might be getting into a place come July 1st that I would have a lot bigger of a room to put SDA's in. I'll try and get some pictures of it. Still an apartment but its a "open floor plan" with the kitchen and the living room. The living room is like 14X18 but is open to the kitchen and I would have a back wall about 20ft + to put some SDA's on. I'll get the photos later to show.
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  • wayne3burk
    wayne3burk Posts: 939
    edited March 2010
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    well I'm using the A9's for HT but if I can find some SDA's and move to a place that I can have enough room for them to be properly set up I would do it in a heart beat as I wanted to do a dedicated 2 channel system.


    Why can't your 2-channel rig be hooked up in the same space as your HT set-up???
    Yamaha RX-V2700, EMI 711As (front), RCA K-16 (rear), Magnavox Console (Center & TV Stand), Sony SMP-N200 media streamer, Dual 1249 TT =--- Sharp Aquas 60" LCD tellie
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  • wayne3burk
    wayne3burk Posts: 939
    edited March 2010
    p.s. -- if you ask nice i might sell you my SDA-1Cs
    Yamaha RX-V2700, EMI 711As (front), RCA K-16 (rear), Magnavox Console (Center & TV Stand), Sony SMP-N200 media streamer, Dual 1249 TT =--- Sharp Aquas 60" LCD tellie
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2010
    wayne3burk wrote: »
    Why can't your 2-channel rig be hooked up in the same space as your HT set-up???

    Due to the space. My screen is 100" diagonal so with that and my current speakers for HT I think it might be too cramped, But we'll see. I'll have to go over to my friends place ( he lives in the same ones I would move into) and see what it all measure out to be.
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