Okay, I Have a Problem: The RTi8's Were Canceled...
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Mike based on your budget, then the best speakers for you are the Polk Monitor 70's.
The Onkyo 605 can drive them decently.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290015&cm_re=Monitor_70-_-82-290-015-_-Product
There are a pair of cherry versions on Polk Direct.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-Monitor-70-CHERRY-Towers-from-Polk-Audio_W0QQitemZ360236095065QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Subwoofers?hash=item53dfbe9659
Now we're talking about a whole different range of speaker family; I am not sure this will work with my CSi30 center in terms of image coherency across the front soundstage.
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The difference is minimal and I doubt it would pass a blind test for most of us.
Only a Polk Super Duper Guru would notice the difference. Especially if I ran it.;)
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I say spend the extra coin and get a set of RTiA9's from Polk direct on eBay .
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Guys,
While I appreciate all the sincere input, this is getting out of hand a bit; originally, I wanted to go with RTi 8's, until my order was canceled because they must have been out of stock with the vendor. Next, I went to Fry's and they had RTi 12's for $399 a piece, and I was going to take them, until I decided the $800+ was just too much right now -- so that ALSO eliminates any new "A" series tower because none of them are going to be UNDER $800 for a pair...
Now, Capri is suggesting the MONITORS, which I never even considered after everyone was telling me the RTi series would match my CSi center best, and I don't know what to look at now. It was even suggested after that, that I start looking a different brand altogether.
I don't think the value lies in getting an RTi A5, and I cannot afford anything above these in the line, so let's forget the LSi altogether.
I can drop the $800-plus on the 12's from Fry's, or try and find 10's online for a $600 or so price for the pair; but I am beginning to wonder...should I just start looking at Monitors, as Capri suggested, or perhaps the lower models in Polk's new tower lineup, such as the TSi's? These are also in my budget...
Will the MONITORS or TSi's work with my CSi30 center? -
I would not look to monitors if the RTi line is where your heart was. Give Polk Direct a call in the morning and ask them about your options. You might get lucky and score the RTi-a7/9 at a price you can afford. Just because the Ebay store does not have them now does not mean they don't have them.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The Monitors have been replaced by the TSi series, but here seem to be plenty available.
Mike your best bet is to get the RTi12's at Frys with local pickup.
You will have a beautiful set of speakers as the anchor of your system.
Thanks Capri; I think I'll just bite the bullet (budget wise, not "shock spending" wise) and get the 12's at Frys...
I know we probably covered this before, but do you believe my 605, for now, can supply ample current to these speakers? -
nooshinjohn wrote: »I would not look to monitors if the RTi line is where your heart was. Give Polk Direct a call in the morning and ask them about your options. You might get lucky and score the RTi-a7/9 at a price you can afford. Just because the Ebay store does not have them now does not mean they don't have them.
Thanks 'John; I think I'll definitely stick with the RTi's in some form or another.
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Mike,
Given the new options you've given, I'd definitely spring for the extra coin, and go for the RTi12's. They're part of the RTi series, so they'll be a great sonic match for your CSi30 center channel. Also, if/when you upgrade your center channel, you'd be able to get a CSi5, which would be a sonic, and aesthetic, match to the 12's. The CSi5's can be had for substantially less money than a CSiA6 too, so that would save you a little more coin.
The 12's are definitely some very impressive sounding speakers, and I'm sure you'd be very happy with them. Your 605 would be able to run them well, since they're fairly efficient speakers, but they may start running out of steam a bit at real high volumes. Unless you watch movies at 120+decibels though, I wouldn't worry about it too much.;)
Just my $.02
edit-By the way...I actually really agree with John. You should just hold out for a pair of SDA's.;) Those will make you far happier than anything from the RTi series ever will.:)The nirvana inducer-
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comfortablycurt wrote: »Mike,
Given the new options you've given, I'd definitely spring for the extra coin, and go for the RTi12's. They're part of the RTi series, so they'll be a great sonic match for your CSi30 center channel. Also, if/when you upgrade your center channel, you'd be able to get a CSi5, which would be a sonic, and aesthetic, match to the 12's. The CSi5's can be had for substantially less money than a CSiA6 too, so that would save you a little more coin.
The 12's are definitely some very impressive sounding speakers, and I'm sure you'd be very happy with them. Your 605 would be able to run them well, since they're fairly efficient speakers, but they may start running out of steam a bit at real high volumes. Unless you watch movies at 120+decibels though, I wouldn't worry about it too much.;)
Just my $.02
edit-By the way...I actually really agree with John. You should just hold out for a pair of SDA's.;) Those will make you far happier than anything from the RTi series ever will.:)
Thank you, Curt. I think all of you have made my mind up.
Oh wait -- now you're saying that you would hold out for those other models? Come on...I can't keep going back and forth like this; I need to stick to a Polk model that will match my CSi center right now...I thought you recommended the RTi12's? -
Dang, the RTi10s need some love too! One other thing to consider - the 12s are 50" tall and 21" deep - pretty big by some people's standards.
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Dude if you can get the 12's get them!!!
They will be a very nice upgrade and match to your center.Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Dang, the RTi10s need some love too! One other thing to consider - the 12s are 50" tall and 21" deep - pretty big by some people's standards.
And since when is big a bad thing, when referring to loudspeakers?;)The nirvana inducer-
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Dang, the RTi10s need some love too! One other thing to consider - the 12s are 50" tall and 21" deep - pretty big by some people's standards.
Indeed, I'm aware of the size of the 12's; they will be flanking a large wall unit and be flush against each side, so the size is OK.
Frys didn't have the 10s, just the 12s...I can get the 10s online for like $600 something but I'm not sure that's the better move instead of getting the 12s for $399 a piece... -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Dude if you can get the 12's get them!!!
They will be a very nice upgrade and match to your center.
...I'm just getting a little confused because you were the one who originally stated this:
I say spend the extra coin and get a set of RTiA9's from Polk direct on eBay .
But the 1C's would be kick ****... -
Most of us did!
Right, but now he was saying he would also hold out for the other model 'John mentioned; getting these 12's would be the absolute highest I can go because we still need to do a lot of furnishing for the new house. -
comfortablycurt wrote: »And since when is big a bad thing, when referring to loudspeakers?;)
Some people are concerned with aesthetics and other may have wives who are concerned about such things... I just wanted to point it out. -
Do what you want, but that 605 is NOT enough to drive those RTi12 at very high levels, not even at what I'd consider reasonable levels in situations with alot of low end.
You have 2 scenarios:
1 - If you already have a good sub then you'll likely not be using those fronts for bass response, in which case you lose alot of the value of the RTi12, in which case I'd opt for another model.
2 - If you don't have a good sub, or intend to run the low end on the fronts, the 605 will not be able to keep up with those 12s - I know this from experience, I'm not talking 'theoretical' here. If you wanna go that route it's fine, but be prepared to buy another receiver...
The 10s are at the top of what I'd use that receiver to power. If you were living in an apartment or something and didn't want to listen at loud volumes it would be different, but given your house and all I assume you want to be able to watch movies like they're meant to be watched, in which case the 12s and your receiver are going to fall short. -
Mike LoManaco wrote: »Indeed, I'm aware of the size of the 12's; they will be flanking a large wall unit and be flush against each side, so the size is OK.
Frys didn't have the 10s, just the 12s...I can get the 10s online for like $600 something but I'm not sure that's the better move instead of getting the 12s for $399 a piece...
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the market for these things... I got a pair of Rti10s from a B&M store 2 years ago, for a sale price of $480. I guess the price goes up as the supply goes down... yeah, that's it. -
AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »Do what you want, but that 605 is NOT enough to drive those RTi12 at very high levels, not even at what I'd consider reasonable levels in situations with alot of low end.
You have 2 scenarios:
1 - If you already have a good sub then you'll likely not be using those fronts for bass response, in which case you lose alot of the value of the RTi12, in which case I'd opt for another model.
2 - If you don't have a good sub, or intend to run the low end on the fronts, the 605 will not be able to keep up with those 12s - I know this from experience, I'm not talking 'theoretical' here. If you wanna go that route it's fine, but be prepared to buy another receiver...
The 10s are at the top of what I'd use that receiver to power. If you were living in an apartment or something and didn't want to listen at loud volumes it would be different, but given your house and all I assume you want to be able to watch movies like they're meant to be watched, in which case the 12s and your receiver are going to fall short.
This, to me, is sound advice. (No pun intended.) -
Only because the 12's can be hard to come by sometimes. The 12's and A9's are kinda the same speaker.Mike LoManaco wrote: »...I'm just getting a little confused because you were the one who originally stated this:
I say spend the extra coin and get a set of RTiA9's from Polk direct on eBay .
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Yes. The market goes up, then down, then up again, etc. It is like a decaying AC wave with a DC offset.
:eek::D
Btw, when has one single guy on here received so much "help"?? -
Then go for it and be done with it. You will be getting excellent speakers.
Okay, Capri; but what about Assimilated's opinion that the 12's cannot be reasonably powered by a 605? THIS was my main concern with not going with the 12's; I will not be using them for bass response in the system, and the channels will all be crossed over at 80Hz to relegate duties below this to the sub, so do I have to worry with the 12's then? -
I will say this, if you are looking at the two deals independently in terms of sale price off msrp, the RTi12 at $800 are a better 'deal' than the RTi10 at $600, but just because something is a better deal doesn't make it the better option.
In your case, if you're truly not wanting to upgrade your receiver and buy an amp, the RTi10 is a better option for you. -
Read my post again...Mike LoManaco wrote: »Okay, Capri; but what about Assimilated's opinion that the 12's cannot be reasonably powered by a 605? THIS was my main concern with not going with the 12's; I will not be using them for bass response in the system, and the channels will all be crossed over at 80Hz to relegate duties below this to the sub, so do I have to worry with the 12's then?
If you're not driving the lows then the 605 will drive the 12s fine. But then, my point is, why get the 12s in the first place? Why bother buying a speaker that you're going to neuter by not using half of it, it just doesn't make any sense.
I really don't see why people are failing to grasp this... -
I see everyone's points and understand all your opinions -- thank you.
Let me ask this: While current is a concern with my 605 and the 12's, is it remotely possible that because the 12's will be crossed over at the AVR, there wouldn't be that much "demand" on them, and I can get some cleaner higher levels? I won't be using the 12's as a full range output here; they WILL be crossed over at about 80Hz or so...can I get away with powering them with the 605 under these circumstances? -
AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »Read my post again...
If you're not driving the lows then the 605 will drive the 12s fine. But then, my point is, why get the 12s in the first place? Why bother buying a speaker that you're going to neuter by not using half of it, it just doesn't make any sense.
I really don't see why people are failing to grasp this...
I get it. I understand your point now; I suppose it would be for, like Capri says, upgrade path down the line if I replace my 605. -
AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »Read my post again...
If you're not driving the lows then the 605 will drive the 12s fine. But then, my point is, why get the 12s in the first place? Why bother buying a speaker that you're going to neuter by not using half of it, it just doesn't make any sense.
I really don't see why people are failing to grasp this...
You also need to understand that we're now talking a matter of value, as Capri and I have begun analyzing; the 10's can be had for $600+ online, while the 12's can be had for a bit over $800, and in his opinion, the 12's win in this matter -- I realize that you see this, too, as one of your posts indicated, and I understand that you are pointing out the usable functions of both models for my needs, but I am balancing all these perspectives. -
If you intend to upgrade down the road AND intent to run those 12s in full without cutting off their low end then the 12s are a great choice.
If you never intend to run them as full range speakers, then they're still not a very good choice in my opinion, because those RTi12s with no low end are basically a set of RTi6 bookshelfs....just doesn't make sense to me. -
Okay. Thanks guys, for all your input so far; it's much appreciated.
Here's the current scenario: I could go:
RTi10 - $690 or so with shipping;
RTi12 - $862 w/in-store pickup
I don't even know if I should be considering an RTi8 anymore; as I said, the RTi A5 didn't impress me, physically, at Frys today... -
Anyway, I think you understand all the variables now, so I'm out, good luck with your purchase
