Week 7: So where' the post about how awesome the Vikings are?

Sami

shawn474 wrote: »

The franchise needed to move on and did so with class. He drug them thjrough the mud, strung the along and then crapped on the franchise that supported him for so many years.

This has been discussed so many times before but lets say it again. If the franchise needed to move on and do it with class, they should have released him. They didn't.

AsSiMiLaTeD

First, you can't pin that interception on Favre, that was a fluke play that he'll get tagged with, but is ultimately not responsible for.

Having said that, I've never really liked Brett Fav-ra. I've always preferred a QB who's more of a tactitian as opposed to someone who just likes to close his eyes and throw it down the field. I've always been more of a Steve Young / Peyton Manning kinda guy vs a Brett Favre fan.

vc69

Any way we could take the Favre specific Hate/Love fest to another thread?

Sami

vc69 wrote: »

Any way we could take the Favre specific Hate/Love fest to another thread?

Don't worry, I won't comment the matter any further.

bobman1235

Sami wrote: »

What exactly happened that makes you think that way? That he went to play for the team he wanted to play and Packers refused to let him in the first place?

I could give a **** what team he plays for, I'm referring to the fact that he orchestrates all this nonsense to keep himself in the limelight for as long as possible. If you believe all of his "decision-making" over whether to retire or not was anything more than trying to keep his name on TV, I have a bridge to sell you. The fact that he's done it three years in a row now and people are STILL defending him is mind-boggling to me.

thuffman03

All I have to say is that the Steelers/Vikings game did not live up to all the hype.

Both offences only scored 1 TD each. It was left up to special teams and defense which the Steelers D made the big plays they needed.

AsSiMiLaTeD

^^^ What are you talking about, that was a GREAT 4th quarter, even for someone like me who had no vested interest in the game.

Demiurge

Sami wrote: »

Lets not go there again, it's a dead horse and all we know is the Packers management was at least as much at fault as Favre was.

Well, here's the long winded response that spells it all out.

Ted Thompson is a moron. I'm sure I have said as much, and I have been as ardent a Favre defender as you can find -- when it's merited.

In my opinion, the Green Bay Packers wasted much of his talent over the years. In my opinion the Green Bay Packers ought to have put up with his B.S., because he's a very good QB. In my opinion, the Green Bay Packers ought to have given him his old job back.

None of that is anti-Favre.

Even when he was with the Jets I was very sympathetic because of all the reasons above, even though I thought he was playing for all the wrong reasons. He admitted as much to ESPN that he came back to spite the Green Bay Packers. M'kay, I get that. The divorce was ugly.

When he retired again I figured he had finally hung it up, but it wasn't a definitive statement. Then the rumors started. OK...maybe he's going to play for MN. That's a huge affront to Packers fans for reasons only NFC North fans can fully understand. Did I still have respect for Favre at that point? No doubt. I wouldn't cheer for him, but I wouldn't loathe the man, either. He has mouths to feed and I'm a capitalist through and through. God bless him for thinking he can find a team that thinks he'll offer them value.

Then he said "no," and that he was retired for good.

When he then decided to come back after that statement I lost most of the respect I had for him. He is a liar. He has no integrity. He's an attention ****. He's so selfish that he schemed this all to skip training camp.

Then for him to sit there at his presser and say "If you're true Packer fans, you'd understand...."

That was it. He's now dead to me.

In fact, if Vikings fans weren't such hypocrites, they'd be a little dismayed by it as well. This whole episode is about Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy, nothing more. I guess Vikings fans are just that desperate for a Super Bowl. Fact is, they aren't easy to get and I have much doubt they'll even get to the game yet alone win it. I'll be cheering the entire way that it doesn't happen. I hope this whole saga completely screws over the Vikings for the next decade.

Demiurge

bobman1235 wrote: »

I could give a **** what team he plays for, I'm referring to the fact that he orchestrates all this nonsense to keep himself in the limelight for as long as possible. If you believe all of his "decision-making" over whether to retire or not was anything more than trying to keep his name on TV, I have a bridge to sell you. The fact that he's done it three years in a row now and people are STILL defending him is mind-boggling to me.

Christ, 3 years? Maybe nationally. He's was doing that dog and pony show for the last 3-4 years he was in Green Bay. My cousin is a camera man for the local Fox affiliate here and you wouldn't have believed the ego on Favre. Now the whole world knows.

vc69

vc69 wrote: »

Any way we could take the Favre specific Hate/Love fest to another thread?

I guess not.

shack

vc69 wrote:

Any way we could take the Favre specific Hate/Love fest to another thread?

Why?

Isn't this a thread about the Vikings? (even the title says so)

Doesn't Favre play for the Vikings?

Doesn't Favre contribute to the awesomeness or lack thereof for the Vikings?

Seems like this thread is as good as any...

vc69 wrote:

I guess not.

What does it matter anyway?

Jstas

Demiurge wrote: »

Lotsa stuff was written here but I deleted it

But man, it was beautiful! Brought a tear to my eye! It was like...like...like...the Gettysburg Address, Patton's speech to his men, Kennedy's Inaugural Address...it was gold, Jerry! GOLD!

vc69

shack wrote: »

Why?

Isn't this a thread about the Vikings? (even the title says so)

I thought it was a week seven recap/trash talk.

Doesn't Favre play for the Vikings?

Yes, I believe he does!

Doesn't Favre contribute to the awesomeness or lack thereof for the Vikings?

Purely subjective.

As is the "Favre is a ****"/"Favre walks on water" discussion.

Though seperate issues, his contribution to the Viking's record is worthwhile in this thread's context. The other stuff is useless IMHO.

Seems like this thread is as good as any...

Not if we were to (a) stay on-topic with week 7 discussion and (b) avoid the ever devisive and flame riddled Favre specific discussion.

What does it matter anyway?

It doesn't.

ryanjoachim

I think the game next Sunday vs the Vikings is gonna be a great game. IF the O-line can keep Rodgers off his ****, he'll out-throw Favre and lead the pack to a win.

That is specifically dependent on the left guard/tackle not getting beat on EVERY play like the last time they met.

Rodeo0530

Ricardo wrote: »

Go Bengals!!!!

What a massacre that was. Poor teddy bears......

WHO DEY

WHO DEY!!! Best they've looked as a team in quite some time.

nooshinjohn

Demiurge wrote: »

Then he said "no," and that he was retired for good.

When he then decided to come back after that statement I lost most of the respect I had for him. He is a liar. He has no integrity. He's an attention ****. He's so selfish that he schemed this all to skip training camp.

Then for him to sit there at his presser and say "If you're true Packer fans, you'd understand...."

That was it. He's now dead to me.

In fact, if Vikings fans weren't such hypocrites, they'd be a little dismayed by it as well.

I pretty much agree with everything you said here, and I am a Viking fan from way back. I have never really cared for Farve either, and the BS he put my team through before finally deciding to throw a few more touchdowns at the record books is inexcusable.

That said, I am still a Vikings fan, and if my coach was to stupid to go after a better option in the off-season last year, I would still rather have Farve in the pocket than Tavaris Jackson or our other two options. The optomist in me feels it was a smart move because TJ and the others can maybe learn from him and give us something to build on for their future. Farve is a has been, a hired gun, but for now he gives my team the best chance to win, but I will not miss him when he finally does call it quits.

krabby5

Demiurge wrote: »

Well, here's the long winded response that spells it all out.

Ted Thompson is a moron. I'm sure I have said as much, and I have been as ardent a Favre defender as you can find -- when it's merited.

In my opinion, the Green Bay Packers wasted much of his talent over the years. In my opinion the Green Bay Packers ought to have put up with his B.S., because he's a very good QB. In my opinion, the Green Bay Packers ought to have given him his old job back.

None of that is anti-Favre.

Even when he was with the Jets I was very sympathetic because of all the reasons above, even though I thought he was playing for all the wrong reasons. He admitted as much to ESPN that he came back to spite the Green Bay Packers. M'kay, I get that. The divorce was ugly.

When he retired again I figured he had finally hung it up, but it wasn't a definitive statement. Then the rumors started. OK...maybe he's going to play for MN. That's a huge affront to Packers fans for reasons only NFC North fans can fully understand. Did I still have respect for Favre at that point? No doubt. I wouldn't cheer for him, but I wouldn't loathe the man, either. He has mouths to feed and I'm a capitalist through and through. God bless him for thinking he can find a team that thinks he'll offer them value.

Then he said "no," and that he was retired for good.

When he then decided to come back after that statement I lost most of the respect I had for him. He is a liar. He has no integrity. He's an attention ****. He's so selfish that he schemed this all to skip training camp.

Then for him to sit there at his presser and say "If you're true Packer fans, you'd understand...."

That was it. He's now dead to me.

In fact, if Vikings fans weren't such hypocrites, they'd be a little dismayed by it as well. This whole episode is about Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy, nothing more. I guess Vikings fans are just that desperate for a Super Bowl. Fact is, they aren't easy to get and I have much doubt they'll even get to the game yet alone win it. I'll be cheering the entire way that it doesn't happen. I hope this whole saga completely screws over the Vikings for the next decade.

LOL..what are Vikings fans supposed to do? Take a stand and stop watching The Vikes? We all know Favre is a drama queen, but he is the best thing for this team right now. The fans have sat through Tavaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and Brad Johnson for the last 4-5 years. It's nice to see the team actually drive down the field more often than not this year..as opposed to 3 and out for the last 5 years. They have arguably the best RB in the league and some GREAT defensive players...the time is NOW to win. Sorry...not all teams can have the same reliable qb for 20 years...in fact Rodgers looks like he is the real deal as well...you should count your blessings that you've had great qbs that you can rely on for the past 20 years...look at the Lions..when is the last time they had a real qb?

so please get over yourself and try to enjoy Packer wins more than you enjoy Viking losses..I will never understand that. and yes, I know there are a ton of Vikings rubes who feel the same way..

It's just football...

dorokusai

I lost my fascination with Favre when he wasn't a Packer anymore. He's a smash mouth QB and certainly solid but not very intersting anymore, regardless of the record....which won't last. The Vikings will slowly slide into mediocrity.

schwarcw

The NFL season is a marathon run. Some teams doing well right now will not be there in the end. Injuries and exhaustion will take it's toll. Remember last year? The Jets with Farve were 8 - 3 and everybody thought they were going to the big one. Buffalo I think was 5 - 0. Good defenses win football games, the quarterback is probably overrated but they are the heart and soul of the team. As a Pittsburgh fan I want to see the Vikings do well. It's good for football. I don't know if Farve can go the distance, and a good run defense will shut Peterson down. The Steelers are only ranked about 10th in overall defense. What did Peerson get yesterday 69 yds rushing??? Please!

There are better defenses playing right now than Pittsburgh. The cheating Pats look awesome (without cheating), the Bengals look good, but Baltimore will eat them up. Jets, Broncos, Indy, Pats, Ravens and Steelers will be there in the end in the AFC. It will be anyone's title, good stuff. What happened to Tenneessee?? They quit playing. It might be the last season for Jeff Fisher, all good things come to an end. he can coach just about anywhere he wants. I think he's gone from Tennessee!

[Deleted User]

I am not a Vikings fan. I do enjoy watching their games due to two reasons. Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. Both of these guys were monsters in college and its great to watch them further develop their potentials as a pro. Hopefully the injuries would go away. On a last note, who is the faster one?

huggies

Steelers won that game by making plays on defense. This is their MO, so to suggest that they were just lucky is silly. If Viking fans want to blame someone for the loss, they should look at their head coach. 1st and goal from inside the one yd line, and the best player in football doesn't touch the ball. That's just inexcusable. It's like they were trying to prove something by letting Favre throw it in that situation. Backfire, big time!

Demiurge

krabby5 wrote: »

LOL..what are Vikings fans supposed to do? Take a stand and stop watching The Vikes? We all know Favre is a drama queen, but he is the best thing for this team right now. The fans have sat through Tavaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and Brad Johnson for the last 4-5 years. It's nice to see the team actually drive down the field more often than not this year..as opposed to 3 and out for the last 5 years. They have arguably the best RB in the league and some GREAT defensive players...the time is NOW to win. Sorry...not all teams can have the same reliable qb for 20 years...in fact Rodgers looks like he is the real deal as well...you should count your blessings that you've had great qbs that you can rely on for the past 20 years...look at the Lions..when is the last time they had a real qb?

so please get over yourself and try to enjoy Packer wins more than you enjoy Viking losses..I will never understand that. and yes, I know there are a ton of Vikings rubes who feel the same way..

It's just football...

Did I say that? How about a coach that didn't just allow a 40 year old QB to take over his team? Right now that looks like a great decision, right? If he doesn't take you to and win a Super Bowl, he played him for a chump, and all of the fans that welcomed the move.

So no, I didn't say you shouldn't watch. The Vikings are your team. They'll be your team long after Favre hangs is up or dies, whichever comes first.

Get over myself? :rolleyes: Sorry, for a second there I thought I was making some pretty reasonable statements about the whole Favre saga from the perspective of a Green Bay Packers fan. I don't like him as a man, but I still think he's an above average athlete. Much of that allure wore off when I found out what a piece of **** he really is.

I do think the Vikings are overrated, and I think it speaks more to the fact that the NFC North is still a weak division. The Bears look terrible this year as Cutler clearly doesn't seem to be the answer....and the Lions still suck. The Vikings ARE better than Green Bay right now. Green Bay will be a very good team if they can shore up the offensive line and get a grip on the self-defeating penalties.

I don't think the Vikings can stop the Patriots, Saints, or Indy.

krabby5

Believe me Demuirge, a lot of people don't like Childress and were pissed when they didn't go after a real QB. In fact, a lot of people still hate Childress and his coaching ability...me included

Demiurge

krabby5 wrote: »

Believe me Demuirge, a lot of people don't like Childress and were pissed when they didn't go after a real QB. In fact, a lot of people still hate Childress and his coaching ability...me included

I haven't checked in to any of the Vikings message boards in a while, but while all this was going on they echoed your statements.

I'm not saying this won't end up being a brilliant move, because it has the potential. I just doubt it considering how other teams in the league are playing and they don't have a guy who is playing for spite and doesn't seem to want to put in any of the work the rest of the team has to. If they don't get to and win a Super Bowl with Favre, this was nothing but a waste of time and sets the team back several years.

Favre seems to excel when you tell him he can't do something, so we'll see. I guess that's why they play these games rather than letting people with an opinion decide them.

ryanjoachim

I think if the Packers can beat the Vikings this Sunday, they have a damn good shot at going deep into the playoffs. The Vikings defense is going to be a tough challenge with an inexperienced left O-line.

cstmar01

ryanjoachim wrote: »

I think if the Packers can beat the Vikings this Sunday, they have a damn good shot at going deep into the playoffs. The Vikings defense is going to be a tough challenge with an inexperienced left O-line.

We here in WI hope they can, but when you have so many injuries that shuffle around your line so much, well I'm not holding my breath. The last meeting was pretty good, but the penalties killed us.

MN is doing good, but I don't think its all about Farve, he's good don't get me wrong, but he is older, and well if the line didn't protect as well as they have I think he would be injured by now. I just think that MN should of fixed its problem that they are having by find a QB for the long term, Farve is not long term. Find someone that can play well for a few years and develop them, Culpepper was thought to be it but well we see how that turned out.

nooshinjohn

cstmar01 wrote: »

We here in WI hope they can, but when you have so many injuries that shuffle around your line so much, well I'm not holding my breath. The last meeting was pretty good, but the penalties killed us.

MN is doing good, but I don't think its all about Farve, he's good don't get me wrong, but he is older, and well if the line didn't protect as well as they have I think he would be injured by now. I just think that MN should of fixed its problem that they are having by find a QB for the long term, Farve is not long term. Find someone that can play well for a few years and develop them, Culpepper was thought to be it but well we see how that turned out.

I am hopeful that TJ has the opportunity to learn from Farve and develop into the QB the Vikings need for the long term, as it is my understanding that is what was thought by Childress when he brought Farve into the mix, QB for now and coach the youngbloods. You are correct that it is not about Farve, but rather the team as a whole. The developement of Sydney Rice into a league recognised threat would not have occured with anyone else at the QB slot they had to choose from. The only thing holding them back is the fact that every team in the league has focused on shutting Adrian Peterson down hard, and they have for the most part been effective, yet he is still the second-best in the league. If the Vikings can figure out how to open up the line of scrimage and spring him once in a while, look out. Until then Vikings fans can only pray that Farve does not get dropped on his **** to many times. If we loose him or his arm gives out it will be very long way until the end of the season.

ryanjoachim

cstmar01 wrote: »

We here in WI hope they can, but when you have so many injuries that shuffle around your line so much, well I'm not holding my breath. The last meeting was pretty good, but the penalties killed us.

I think the thing that killed us was Rodgers getting sacked 9 times.

cstmar01

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I am hopeful that TJ has the opportunity to learn from Farve and develop into the QB the Vikings need for the long term, as it is my understanding that is what was thought by Childress when he brought Farve into the mix, QB for now and coach the youngbloods. You are correct that it is not about Farve, but rather the team as a whole. The developement of Sydney Rice into a league recognised threat would not have occured with anyone else at the QB slot they had to choose from. The only thing holding them back is the fact that every team in the league has focused on shutting Adrian Peterson down hard, and they have for the most part been effective, yet he is still the second-best in the league. If the Vikings can figure out how to open up the line of scrimage and spring him once in a while, look out. Until then Vikings fans can only pray that Farve does not get dropped on his **** to many times. If we loose him or his arm gives out it will be very long way until the end of the season.

I agree that Peterson is good, from what I can recall he hasn't had too many fumbles this year as compared to others. The one with the packers stripping the ball though was awesome (sorry I am a packers fan) but otherwise he is doing a good job holding on. I don't disagree that Farve could be helping coach the youngin' but then again I do wonder how much he is. When he was at the Packers from what I recall he didn't really take Rogers under his wing at all and acutally they had a more cold relationship, and I doubt that has changed when he moved to MN. I don't think the packers are doing as great as they could be doing but then again all the penalities and like the other poster said, sacks that roger's has had is killing them. I do think MN has a start of a good team, but it does come down to if they can make sure Farve doesn't have injuries, and if they can get Peterson in the running game more without fumbling. D line is good, I forget his name but he killed the packers in the last meeting, they really need to focus on blocking him.

nooshinjohn

I believe you are refering to Jared Allen. They will need the hand of GOD to block him.