I'm stupid!

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,654
edited April 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
Yes indeed --

As I sit here, dumbfounded as to WHY I had so little bass response ---

The Candela by design reverses the polarity of the output or something like that -- I always wired the 7u positive to negative, negative to positive - and it worked perfectly.

I guess the Super Towers are different??? Because just out of curiosity I switched it to regular and wow - this is pretty amazing. Everything turned to a completely different sound I can 100% dig. Everything I was expecting and thought had been missing. Granted even in reverse the Super Towers had phenominal highs and midrange - but something was missing I just couldnt put my finger on and this was it...

Yes, I am happy -- still need some subs to top it off, but WOW. I am happy as pig in ****... :)

Thanks for reading!
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited April 2009
    Candela reverses polarity? (shaking head) Seriously if this is true, its' just another example of things that royally piss me off about Odyssey.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited April 2009
    I guess technically it does -- in some designs, like my 7u - it works better with reversed polarity...

    Where as a design like my Super Towers it works better normal --

    When I first got the Candela Klaus explained this to me and it can be explained on the Odyssey forums...

    But yeah -- what would really make you angry is that my left and right output are swapped?? ;) - I have my right IC on the left and vice versa ;) Sound to good to send back! hahah
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited April 2009
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    I guess technically it does -- in some designs, like my 7u - it works better with reversed polarity...

    Where as a design like my Super Towers it works better normal --

    When I first got the Candela Klaus explained this to me and it can be explained on the Odyssey forums...

    But yeah -- what would really make you angry is that my left and right output are swapped?? ;) - I have my right IC on the left and vice versa ;) Sound to good to send back! hahah

    Reversing polarity seems like a pretty big deal . . . sure it may be appear on the forums, but I have never read a single word of this news. He never told me this when I purchased a preamp from him. I just gotta laugh.

    I am happy for you though. I know Odyssey makes sweet love to all things Tyler.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited April 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Solid, if that pisses ya off, than you're gunna love it when you find out that at least half of the recordings you own sport reversed polarity.

    Ahhah YES! But I got a little switch on my preamp that lets me toggle polarity back and forth. AND, it appears in the manual.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited April 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Solid, if that pisses ya off, than you're gunna love it when you find out that at least half of the recordings you own sport reversed polarity.

    Yep.....But not in the reproduction form from a hardwares standpoint of view. 1's and 0's don't care about polarity.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited April 2009
    Eh - no offense to anyone...

    I wouldnt buy anything with a polarity switch... lol

    Mainly because it is just another thing to worry about when I can just swap the speaker cables...

    But, other than that - the Odyssey gear does mate incredibly well with the Tyler stuff... don't know why?? but I like what I hear! :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited April 2009
    Bigger room yet, Trey?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited April 2009
    Oh I know. I am planning to send it in sometime this year to get it looked at and all that jazz. Alex said there are several upgrades to bring it up to current spec - I have had it for a year and a half now.

    That and I have a high noise floor he is going to look into. So - as soon as I can find myself to part with my sound for a week or two - I will probally do that. Maybe someone would let me borrow a preamp? ;)

    And eventually will send in my amps just to get looked over, bias checked, blah blah blah -- the Odyssey stuff is here to stay...

    I have a love/hate thing with the Shanling. I hate it until someone brings over a CDP and the Shanling beats it? Must be synergy or something - haha...

    No idea, the rig sounds great -- Just need subs and some panels! :)

    Also, the speakers are most likely here to stay - I mean I am sure there are "better" speakers out there for the same money, maybe less -- but I think it would more so be "different"

    Besides, I dont know of to many higher end systems that can rock out Eva Cassidy and Disturbed and do them both with style... ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited April 2009
    Congrats on your find. Audio will drive you nuts and neurotic but will love it anyway.
    engtaz

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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited April 2009
    Jumpin' in kinda late,, but I owned some AI gear in the past, and the pre inverted phase, I thought that one just reversed the speaker connections and that was it?:confused:


    here's a discussion,,

    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&1231285653&openfrom&1&4#1
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2009
    It takes an extra stage to return the polarity to the correct phase so some manufacturers realize the true audio nut would rather reverse their speaker wires than put up with another unnecessary stage which only adds more noise etc.
    madmax
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2009
    My Rogue pre is like that, it inverts the polarity and you need to fix it when you connect the speaker cables to the amp. It does make a difference, I could tell something was different the couple of times I forgot to change the speaker cables.
    DKG999
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited April 2009
    The only issue with these pre's is that if you have SDA's you can't change the speaker cables.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited April 2009
    Just buy Monster Cable IC's. Most of those are probably mis-wired internally!
    DKG999
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited April 2009
    dkg999 wrote: »
    My Rogue pre is like that, it inverts the polarity and you need to fix it when you connect the speaker cables to the amp. It does make a difference, I could tell something was different the couple of times I forgot to change the speaker cables.


    Yep, the 99 does, too. In the manual it says the even some amps do.
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    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    The only issue with these pre's is that if you have SDA's you can't change the speaker cables.

    You can get around that by swapping the wires going to each individual driver, if you really wanted to. Of course the tweeter section could be swapped right at the main treble input if you have the bigger SDAs which are set up for bi-wiring.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited April 2009
    My Modwright does the same thing. I always just reversed wired them. No big deal.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited April 2009
    :eek: This is news to me about my Modwright Preamp! Also does my Rogue Audio amp reverse the polarity again making it back to normal?

    I'll play with it and see if it makes a diff. Where is the best place to switch the polarity, at the speakers or at the amp?
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited April 2009
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    :eek: Also does my Rogue Audio amp reverse the polarity again making it back to normal?

    Ern Dog --

    Let me know about your Rogue amp. I have Rogue monoblocks.

    Thanks.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited April 2009
    I didnt think an amp could do that.

    I believe it states this in the Modwright manual.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited April 2009
    6) Polarity - The Rogue Ninety-Nine preamplifier is an inverting
    amplifier (positive signal in gives negative signal out) so, for
    best sound, care should be taken to ensure correct polarity at the
    speaker terminals. If your power amplifier is also inverting (most
    are not), then connect the positive (+) outputs of your power
    amplifier to the positive (+) terminals of the loudspeakers and
    the negative (-) outputs to the (-) negative loudspeaker terminals.
    If your power amplifier is non-inverting, then connect the
    positive outputs (+) of your power amplifier to the negative (-)
    loudspeaker terminals, and the negative outputs (-) to the
    positive (+) loudspeaker terminals. (Rogue Audio power
    amplifiers are non-inverting.) If you are unsure as to the polarity
    of your power amplifier, check the owner’s manual or contact
    the manufacturer. If all else fails, try both connections and listen
    to which sounds better (do this using several different recordings
    as not all recordings are made with correct phase).

    From Rogue 99 manual
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2009
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    I wouldnt buy anything with a polarity switch... lol

    What do you think inverted polarity is Trey? It doesn't have to be an actual switch....you kinda figured that out huh?
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited April 2009
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    I'll play with it and see if it makes a diff. Where is the best place to switch the polarity, at the speakers or at the amp?

    It is difficult for me to get behind my rack, so I reverse them at the speakers. If someone brings over a different pre, it is easier for me to change them.


    Midnite Mick wrote: »

    I believe it states this in the Modwright manual.


    It does, right at the top of the first page after the cover sheet. But who reads manuals?:p:D Buying used, sometimes you don't get one.

    I knew about the ModWright/phase from reading reviews and posts at Audiogon.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited April 2009
    I am fully aware of what polarity is Doro

    I think that was part of audio 101...

    But, like always - thanks for playing... :rolleyes:
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited April 2009
    Im glad you got your Speakers sounding Good again.Enjoy:)
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,654
    edited April 2009
    Thanks! :)

    I am sending the preamp out tomorrow to get fixed...

    I can still run direct from the CDP for the time being and it will be nice to get that thing working the way it should. Alex said there is alot of changes that have been made to it...

    So I am pretty excited! :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited April 2009
    Early B. wrote: »
    Ern Dog --

    Let me know about your Rogue amp. I have Rogue monoblocks.

    Thanks.

    Well, my initial impression after reversing the speaker cable polarity was a slight improvement. I'm not positive though. The amp is really new to me and I'm still adjusting to the sound. I'm starting a new thread about it.....
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