Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature Amp's

Toolfan66
Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
edited March 2009 in Electronics
This may sound like a stupid question. but since i don't know. on the back of this amp there are 2 RCA jacks for each speaker. WHY? the XPA-3 is the only amp i have ever owned so i really don't know.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,599
    edited March 2009
    one is for current source and the other is voltage source. one gives a more tubelike sound and the other a ss sound... read the link below

    http://www.stereotimes.com/amp010500.shtml
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    one is for current source and the other is voltage source. one gives a more tubelike sound and the other a ss sound... read the link below

    http://www.stereotimes.com/amp010500.shtml

    So is the tubelike sound for 4ohms and 2ohms only? and i am guessing that this is the voltage source?
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Time to stop drinking or smoking MJ. There is only one RCA per channel.


    Really!!!! so the pic i saw was a figment of my imagination right?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,599
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Time to stop drinking or smoking MJ. There is only one RCA per channel.


    Incorrect sir.. there are two per channel, one for a tubelike sound and the other is for a solid-state sound.... read the review and it will explain it all:D
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    And i am the one on the pipe...:rolleyes:
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Time to stop drinking or smoking MJ. There is only one RCA per channel.

    Were you drinking and smoking while you wrote this? :rolleyes:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,599
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    My XPA-3 has three RCA jacks and there are three channels. Maybe this is the B-grade version?

    put the crack pipe away... this is a SUNFIRE thread not an EMO thread:p

    The sunfire has the two rca per channel, not the emo:D
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    My xpa-3 has 12 RCA jacks.:D This way i can power 8 A9's, And 4 A6'S

    (as i take another hit.)
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Time to stop drinking or smoking MJ. There is only one RCA per channel.

    Um...you do realize that he was referring to a Sunfire amp and not the Emo correct?

    The Sunfire most definitely does have two RCA inputs per channel. I've seen this personally in numerous pictures.

    Put down the crack pipe my friend.
    My xpa-3 has 12 RCA jacks. This way i can power 8 A9's, And 4 A6'S

    I heard Emo was coming out with the XPA-12 soon...lol...How'd you get one so far in advance?:p
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    Must be the B grade maryjane.:D J/K :D
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    This may sound like a stupid question. but since i don't know. on the back of this amp there are 2 RCA jacks for each speaker. WHY? the XPA-3 is the only amp i have ever owned so i really don't know.


    I didn't know there are speakers that can be attached to an amp via RCA cables. All my speakers have always required speaker wire.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I didn't know there are speakers that can be attached to an amp via RCA cables. All my speakers have always required speaker wire.

    The RCA jacks are to connect the pre-amp to the power amp.;)

    The speakers hook up with regular binding posts.
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I didn't know there are speakers that can be attached to an amp via RCA cables. All my speakers have always required speaker wire.

    Where does he say anything about attaching his speakers to an Amp using RCA cables?
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    I should have said channel;) sorry for the typo.

    Maybe i am smoking, and drinking.
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    At least you admit it. :p
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,610
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Thanks for the laughs my friends. I don't need Jay Leno.
    Everything is cool man. Cheech pass the pipe.


    You have to come to Colorado my friend.:cool:
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    Here's another one, still out of my price range though.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/sunfire-cinema-grand-5-ch-amp-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ180332100650QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item180332100650&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    Where does he say anything about attaching his speakers to an Amp using RCA cables?

    In his first post.
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    This may sound like a stupid question. but since i don't know. on the back of this amp there are 2 RCA jacks for each speaker.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    In his first post.

    He's referring to the speaker inputs on the amp. Not the speaker outputs.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    He's referring to the speaker inputs on the amp. Not the speaker outputs.


    I know. Actually, he is referring to the amp channel inputs. There are no speaker inputs on an amp, only speakers have speaker inputs.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I know. Actually, he is referring to the amp channel inputs. There are no speaker inputs on an amp, only speakers have speaker inputs.

    Ok...he was referring to the individual channel inputs for each speaker then. Happy?...lol

    I'm well aware that only speakers have "speaker inputs". I think what he meant was pretty clear there...;)
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited March 2009
    Here's a pic I took of mine prior to install, instructions say you can connect RCA to either input. When connecting speakers the front left/right have optional voltage or current terminals

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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    I'd love to buy that Sunfire 5200, i wish i could get it for $1000 or so like a couple other members here have.

    I'd buy it right this very second if i could!!!!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Ok...he was referring to the individual channel inputs for each speaker then. Happy?...lol

    I'm well aware that only speakers have "speaker inputs". I think what he meant was pretty clear there...;)

    Well, he did say "This may sound like a stupid question.", but I agree with you. I have been dealing with extremely poorly written software all day, and it was just the engineer in me bringing my dikheadianess to the surface.
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited March 2009
    SherardP is correct; the dual RCA INPUTS on the Sunfire are NOT for current/voltage sound, nooshinjohn; there are OUTPUTS for the MAIN speakers that have current/voltage taps (tube/ss sound). The dual RCAs inputs are for daisy-chaining from one channel to the next, OR to a different amp if you want. You go IN to one RCA & can go OUT of the other, either into another CHANNEL on the Sunfire, or to another amplifier.

    I go into one RCA from the pre/pro, then out to the next channel RCA in order to biamp my speakers.

    Does that make sense to everyone?
    TNRabbit
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    SherardP is correct; the dual RCA INPUTS on the Sunfire are NOT for current/voltage sound, nooshinjohn; there are OUTPUTS for the MAIN speakers that have current/voltage taps (tube/ss sound). The dual RCAs inputs are for daisy-chaining from one channel to the next, OR to a different amp if you want. You go IN to one RCA & can go OUT of the other, either into another CHANNEL on the Sunfire, or to another amplifier.

    Yes. That is how I connect my PSW1000 sub. The AVR pre-amps go to the Sunfire TGA5400, and then I connect the LF/RF out from the Sunfire to the PSW1000. Works muy bien.

    Damn. I wish Sunfire would make some 2 channel gear. I want to try the current/voltage thingamagigee on my living room system. I guess I will have to buy another TGA5400, and have 3 spare amp channels.
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    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    SherardP is correct; the dual RCA INPUTS on the Sunfire are NOT for current/voltage sound, nooshinjohn; there are OUTPUTS for the MAIN speakers that have current/voltage taps (tube/ss sound). The dual RCAs inputs are for daisy-chaining from one channel to the next, OR to a different amp if you want. You go IN to one RCA & can go OUT of the other, either into another CHANNEL on the Sunfire, or to another amplifier.

    I go into one RCA from the pre/pro, then out to the next channel RCA in order to biamp my speakers.

    Does that make sense to everyone?

    That's what I figured it was when I first saw it...I've never really looked at the Sunfires in to much depth though, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying it.:)
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Damn. I wish Sunfire would make some 2 channel gear. I want to try the current/voltage thingamagigee on my living room system. I guess I will have to buy another TGA5400, and have 3 spare amp channels.

    Isn't that what this is? ;)
    http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/ma11.htm
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    Isn't that what this is? ;)
    http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/ma11.htm

    Yes it is. I should have said, I wish they still made 2 channel gear with all the latest, greatest electronic tweaks they have developed over the years.
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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Yes it is. I should have said, I wish they still made 2 channel gear with all the latest, greatest electronic tweaks they have developed over the years.

    Ohhhh ok then, i see what you meant now.
    I was unaware that they didn't make 2 channels amps anymore.
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