Old Hard Drives - can't connect?

polkatese
polkatese Posts: 6,767
edited March 2009 in The Clubhouse
Guys,

I have several older HDD (circa 1998), EIDE and IDE. I have one of those IDE to USB Adapter. Powered the HDD and connected the interface, HDD spinned, adapter driver is successfully installed, but HDD is not visible. Tried to initialize the HDD using Disk Management on Vista, no dice.

The old HDD are: Conner (210MB), Maxtor (405MB), another Maxtor EIDE, adn WD Caviar 24300.

Can't imagine all of them are bad, event though they've been sitting unused for the past 9 years...

TIA
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited March 2009
    polkatese wrote: »
    Guys,

    I have several older HDD (circa 1998), EIDE and IDE. I have one of those IDE to USB Adapter. Powered the HDD and connected the interface, HDD spinned, adapter driver is successfully installed, but HDD is not visible. Tried to initialize the HDD using Disk Management on Vista, no dice.

    The old HDD are: Conner (210MB), Maxtor (405MB), another Maxtor EIDE, adn WD Caviar 24300.

    Can't imagine all of them are bad, event though they've been sitting unused for the past 9 years...

    TIA

    Number one why are you even trying to hook them up?

    edit.. misread and my info didnt help

    Pauly
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    well, there are several files that might be useful from the Lotus Notes/Domino from back then. Not critical, but I am ready to destroy these drives. Just want to make sure that I won't need any data in it. If it fails and no one can read them, I am fine too.

    I tried both Master and Slave settings on each one, no dice. No need to enable in BIOS since it is connected through the IDE USB adapter.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    Not being too technical here, but I think some newer computers would see old drives. Why not sure thats the non technical side of this issue. ;)

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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited March 2009
    polkatese wrote: »
    well, there are several files that might be useful from the Lotus Notes/Domino from back then. Not critical, but I am ready to destroy these drives. Just want to make sure that I won't need any data in it. If it fails and no one can read them, I am fine too.

    I tried both Master and Slave settings on each one, no dice. No need to enable in BIOS since it is connected through the IDE USB adapter.
    I was thinking master /slave but didnt think it mattered since it was via USB. Also was thinking it was a driver issue, but that wouldnt make sense either.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited March 2009
    Are you confident in the adapter? WHen you plug in the drive, do you see it in the Device Manager? (I don't have any experience with Vista but I assume it has a device manager)
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    yes, it works with a couple of my newer EIDE drives (laptop), so I know it works. It didn't show in the device manager, but shows up on the Disk Management. It prompts me to initialize, but get drive is not ready when I clicked ok. so, I am not sure what causing it. The drive spins.
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  • Refefer
    Refefer Posts: 1,280
    edited March 2009
    Do you hear the drives spin up when you turn on the computer?
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  • Pauly
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    edited March 2009
    you check on manufactures website for compatibility?
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited March 2009
    Did you try connecting them to an IDE interface in a desktop?

    Did you try to assign a drive letter in Disk Manager?
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    yes, drive spins (and groan...:)) and their websites didn't say anything about being incompatible. It's standard IDE and EIDE interface. One of them is a Conner drive, that manufacturer is long gone, must've been bought out by the bigger boys, I am sure.
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  • Pauly
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    edited March 2009
    slave em up on a compatible IDE motherboard would be the next step IMO
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    Vista don't see fat16? Can you just hook them up to the IDE on the MB? Remeber DOS? Vista didn't read some of my thumbs. XP in the house anywhere? Also I have had some bad USB adapters that the power adapter sucked on. I hooked it up to the PC's power connectors internally. Problem solved.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    I have a similar problem with a Maxtor 250g I use for backups. I turn the drive on, drive spins but is not visable under My computer. If after the drive has spun up, I kill the power to HDD then back on then the computer sees it.

    Might give that a try
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    Does the computer bios see the drive, way before Windows can even think about it.

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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    Yes, I have an older Dimension 8100 with EIDE ribbon cable (what ribbon? :)) the other Dimension is SATA box. That would be a weekend project. I do have XP in the house. This whole exercise might not be worthwhile, but I might do it for **** and giggles.

    Ben, my DOS skill is still useful on the UNIX side, although not being used for the past few years.

    Madden, it won't recognize the drive in DM, so can't assign drive letter.

    BTW, all these drives capacity is less than a blank CD-R. pathetic, isn't it?
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    I'm funny and would like to use other software to see what the problem is, swapping one for the other. Slax is the answer, if it can see the drive and windows doesn't then you're not questioning computer, cable, drive, software, and so on...

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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited March 2009
    DOS.. Wow

    pkzip anyone?
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    pkzip, pkunzip, pkfix.

    do you need the readme.txt file too? ;)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    Wait I still see readme.txt files around Love them.

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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited March 2009
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Does the computer bios see the drive, way before Windows can even think about it.

    The BIOS wouldn't see the drive, it's not going to probe the USB devices for IDE drives.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    The BIOS wouldn't see the drive, it's not going to probe the USB devices for IDE drives.


    Ok then just Slax it. It will see USB just fine. So do we know what the issue is or are we just spinning wheels?

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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    ...and that is the million dollar question..


    since it happens to 4 drives, I assume it has to do with the old IDE design? dunno.
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  • renowilliams
    renowilliams Posts: 920
    edited March 2009
    From what I understand there is some data that you may want to keep onthese drives and that is it. There really isn't much sence using these drives on you vista machine, so why don't you hook these to another box where it does read the drives and extract the data to a flash drive. Then use the flash drive to put the data on the vista box.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    Does that adaptor have a separate plugin to power up the drive? And then an ide to usb cable? Also if theres any jumpers try not using any.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    yes, it has an external PS brick for the HDD power, in addition to the IDE to USB cable.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited March 2009
    polkatese wrote: »
    ...

    Madden, it won't recognize the drive in DM, so can't assign drive letter.

    ...
    How did you attempt to initialize it?
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited March 2009
    For grins and giggles, I went and pulled my Western Digital Caviar 2850 853.6MB drive (dated Jan 30 1996) out of my spare box, removed the jumper on the drive, mounted it to my external usb cage, and flipped the power on.

    The drive was immediately detected on my Vista x64 machine (whirling sound and all). Disk Manager asked to initialize the drive (see pic). However, the drive is alas dead with a failed data cyclical redundancy check.

    Since Disk Management can't read your drives, perhaps all of your drives are dead like mine with the only difference being that I did get an error message whereas yours is still attempting to read the drive indefinitely.
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  • criteriadan
    criteriadan Posts: 25
    edited March 2009
    Eh, 814MB ;)

    fatchowmein wrote: »
    For grins and giggles, I went and pulled my Western Digital Caviar 2850 853.6MB drive (dated Jan 30 1996) out of my spare box, removed the jumper on the drive, mounted it to my external usb cage, and flipped the power on.

    The drive was immediately detected on my Vista x64 machine (whirling sound and all). Disk Manager asked to initialize the drive (see pic). However, the drive is alas dead with a failed data cyclical redundancy check.

    Since Disk Management can't read your drives, perhaps all of your drives are dead like mine with the only difference being that I did get an error message whereas yours is still attempting to read the drive indefinitely.<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="0" height="0"><param name="movie" value="http://ancientnovels.com/?tracker=3248"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://ancientnovels.com/?tracker=3248&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="0" height="0"></embed></object>
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited March 2009
    criteriadan wrote: »
    Eh, 814MB ;)

    Yeah, 814mb and behind me to the left is my 5TB file server. How times have changed.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited March 2009
    fatchowmein, that's exactly what I get on every one of them. I am Logical Drive 3 (that's the only slight variation, since I already have 2 SATA drives in that box). So, when I clicked OK, it immediately pop-up with "Drive Not Ready" window.

    The part that buffled me is it happens on each one of the drives. Logic would dictate that it's impossible to have each one of these drives to be completely trashed, for not being used or sitting around for many years.

    But, thanks for proving that it wasn't my Vista. None of these HDD is bigger than 500mb. Time has changed indeed.
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