Well, THAT'S gratitude for you !

andrew_mac

I didn't think we did this at the Polk forums? Common people lets squash the beef. The man has apologized a few times here and edited his post. Lets Save this BS for the AVSforums or something. The reason I love this forum so much is because there is so little of this non sense.

Fatbrando

Hey comfortablycurt, stop while you're ahead. There's a certain mentality at work here. Think Neo-con Red State. If you have differing opinions on Politics or Religion it's outright HOSTILE. So do yourself a favor and let them rule the roost. That is, if you want any assistance/advice/help in the future.

And guys, I'm being honest and civil towards you. I have backed way off like Georgie told me too. So be nice...

F1nut

You still don't get it. For some reason you keep confusing politics with the matter at hand, disrespect for the Office of the President.

Had that event happened to, say Slick Willy, it would piss me off just as much as this did and this event should piss you off. So, grow a pair and be an American.

comfortablycurt

F1nut wrote: »

You still don't get it. For some reason you keep confusing politics with the matter at hand, disrespect for the Office of the President.

Had that event happened to, say Slick Willy, it would piss me off just as much as this did and this event should piss you off. So, grow a pair and be an American.

I can completely understand where you are coming from, and if this had happened to any other American president in our history, I would have been just as furious as you guys are. However, as I've already stated I am less than fond of Bush. Unfortunately in this subject though, politics do play a part in it. George Bush is a political figure, and the "attack" on him had political motivations.

It's not that I'm disrespecting America, or even the office of the president, It's just Bush. I'm a very American person, who was raised with very American values. My grandfather lied about his age during WWII just so he could enlist and fight to protect our country. He was only 15 and he used his brothers ID so that he could join up. A lot of those same values were instilled in me, I always looked up to that when I was a kid. If the powers that be weren't in office right now, I would be in the military right now. Given the current state of things though it's not something I'm willing to do.

I've apologized several times, I've explained my reasoning for feeling the way that I do. If any of you wish to pursue this subject further, please, send me a private message and we can resolve it through there. I just don't want to muddy up this message board with a ridiculous argument that isn't going to go anywhere. We aren't going to resolve anything. You won't change my mind, just as I won't change yours.

:)

dragon1952

Good grief. I don't believe this. Getting a little pompous around here. :rolleyes: The things those people do shouldn't surprise anybody by now. They make human bombs out of themselves and blow innocent people up and you're pissed off about some dumbass throwing a shoe ****, even the Prez himself got a kick out of it (no pun intended).

ND13

My last post here.

When did it become politically incorrect to be patriotic and support your elected officials(whether you voted for them or not)? That's what's great about our nation, we actually get to vote for our leaders and don't have them thrust upon us thru militias, monocharies, dictators or coups, where they may stay in control for generations instead of being voted out after a term of office. I guess an office can be bought, but that's another subject.

NJPOLKER

I wish the SS would have shot the guy. If they shot him it would show great support for our troops and country.
Drew

Face

NJPOLKER wrote: »

I wish the SS would have shot the guy. If they shot him it would show great support for our troops and country.
Drew

Then we would be as bad as the people over there.

I agree, what he did was wrong and he should pay. Hopefully he spends some quality time behind bars.

shack

ND13 wrote: »

My last post here.

When did it become politically incorrect to be patriotic and support your elected officials(whether you voted for them or not)? That's what's great about our nation, we actually get to vote for our leaders and don't have them thrust upon us thru militias, monocharies, dictators or coups, where they may stay in control for generations instead of being voted out after a term of office. I guess an office can be bought, but that's another subject.

There was a time when folks on either side of the political spectrum could be fierce opponents in the halls of power...but have profound respect for the person they disagreed with. I don't believe that has been the case in a very long time. WE as Americans have sunk to the point where if an elected official doesn't agree with one's political view, or if their agenda doesn't meet one's criteria, then they are evil, stupid, worthy of ridicule and disdain or even worse...the wish for bodily harm or even death..regardless of the official's genuine belief that they are doing what is right. Our elected officials represening the people are simply mirror images of whom they represent. There is no co-operation with the opponent, no respect, no "let's do the right thing" ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.

I for one, no matter how much I disagree with the ideology, will support the office of President as long as they are honest and doing what they believe is in the best interest of the country. They were elected fair and square by the citizens of the greatest and most fair political system on earth. The holder of the higest office in the land deserves no less. As a nation we ALL need to condsider doing the same thing.

I, like Noel...am now done with this discussion.

DollarDave

comfortablycurt wrote: »

...
I apologize if my political beliefs don't exactly go along with yours...There are quite a few people in this country though that feel the same way. In fact, I think that's a big reason that the republicans got voted out of office, and lost majority control in the Senate. Bush's approval rating by the American people is lower than any other president in the entire history of the U.S. In fact currently it's at about 30% approval, and 65% disapproval, with the other 5% being neutral. These are just rough averages, but here's a link that shows his approval rating over his entire term for those of you who wish to question it.
...

If you are going to start throwing "facts" around, they should be accurate.

The Republicans did not have majority control of the Senate, they lost that in the first election after the Iraq war started. Keep in mind the vote to enter into the Iraq war was passed with huge support in both Houses of Congress - Democrat and Republican alike.

Bush's approval rating is almost TWICE as high as either the House or the Senate, so that needs to be put into perspective. Let's not get carried away with the "lower than any President in the history of the U.S. bit.", that's just plain niave.

But, the bottom line here is that because you dislike the current President (yes, it is proper to capitalize that word) you think it would be funny for him to suffer the ultimate discrace from some jerk from a third-world country. Son, that is just wrong. What we are trying to get across to you is that we respect the Presidency no matter who holds the office. I would tear into you for these comments no matter who the President is.

I am done, too.

PolkWannabie

What's amusing are the apologies thus removing one foot from the mouth only so he can then insert the other one ...

Try putting a sock in it instead ...

jacob.simpson

You may not like a persons view points and ideas, to throw a Shoe at the President of US is like throwing shoes at all the people who are citizens and who reside in the US, what ever said and done GW is holding a Position and office which represents this Geat Nation and its People, its really sad to notice our own people stooping down to such level and Mock fun at this.
Come on guys (no offence to any Girls out there am including them also here)
show some Patriotism. I am not even a citizen of this Great Country, but a Legal Resident Alien Worker thats what i am officially known as.
But i have Such Great respect for the US and its People. I may sound emotional but dont care about it, But this is my personal view, i know lot of folks from my own country and other places who damn care about this Country or its people, and there are those who would like to make money here and stab this country in its back (9/11 etc), if not for US intervention in the Iraq that country would have become a desolate desert long time back or a killing or Nuke Test field for Iran. This does not mean i suppost GWs 2nd time occupation of the Iraq...

Jstas

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shadowofnight

jacob.simpson wrote: »

to throw a Shoe at the President of US is like throwing shoes at all the people who are citizens and who reside in the US, what ever said and done GW is holding a Position and office which represents this Geat Nation and its People

Exactly....every member of this forum had that pair of shoes thrown at their head....I cant speak for others , but someone throws a shoe at my head they better be driving away faster then I can run.

Look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks when they voiced their opinion of our president while they were on foreign soil representing our country and its music....they will never fully recover from that mistake.

brettw22

you guys are being a bit one sided in your viewpoint........

The guy throwing the shoe no more represents 'all the people in that country' than comfortablycurt represents all americans.

As I stated in another thread, I thought it was kind of funny......and would have been regardless of who was standing up there....just the visual of avoiding flying footwear is a humorous.....at least to me. If someone throwing a shoe at someone is going to ruin my day, I should just stay home and not bother.......

exalted512

But even your viewpoint is different Brett. He's saying because it Bush, its funny...not just funny in general. And hopefully you wouldnt have found it funny, had it actually hit him...that would've done some damage...which cur said would've been even funnier.

Some more people have gotten extremely close to my ignore list as of late.
-Cody

brettw22

If it hit him, it would be less funny, agreed.............however it would be a little hypocritical if I had a problem with a shoe making contact if I find it humorous being thrown in the first place.

Be grateful that it was just a shoe instead of something deadly.....

zombie boy 2000

brettw22 wrote: »

just the visual of avoiding flying footwear is a humorous.....at least to me. If someone throwing a shoe at someone is going to ruin my day, I should just stay home and not bother.......

I gotta agree with Brett here. Regardless of who it is, projectile kicks are comedy gold. That and the fact that he went all "matrix" against the guy.

comfortablycurt

It's not as if it was an attempt made on his life or anything. They guy threw a damn shoe at him. It's not as if he went there looking for him, with the intention of throwing said shoe. Bush made a surprise visit there, and this guy thinks "wow, it's Bush...I don't like him very much, let's throw a shoe at him". That's what I find funny about it...the fact that people dislike Bush so much that they are throwing footwear at him.

As I've already said, none of you are going to change my mind on this, so I don't see why you're trying to, I'm still going to find it funny either way.

I know that I'm not the only person in this country who feels that way either.

NJPOLKER

Face wrote: »

Then we would be as bad as the people over there.

I agree, what he did was wrong and he should pay. Hopefully he spends some quality time behind bars.

I know what your saying but sometimes you have to throw the baby out with the bath water. I know that sounds bad and maybe a bad way of putting it but its a tough deal. If we shut our borders down properly I'd say we should not have gone into the middle east but for some reason we won't do it.

For some reason I started looking into the Club House and I should not because I am a Polk member for relaxation not controversy.

NJPOLKER

comfortablycurt wrote: »

It's not as if it was an attempt made on his life or anything. They guy threw a damn shoe at him. It's not as if he went there looking for him, with the intention of throwing said shoe. Bush made a surprise visit there, and this guy thinks "wow, it's Bush...I don't like him very much, let's throw a shoe at him". That's what I find funny about it...the fact that people dislike Bush so much that they are throwing footwear at him.

As I've already said, none of you are going to change my mind on this, so I don't see why you're trying to, I'm still going to find it funny either way.

I know that I'm not the only person in this country who feels that way either.

I am not trying to change anything about you and you are a good guy. You'd have to be to be a member here.
If someone threw those at your mother what would you do?

ND13

He wasn't throwing a shoe at Bush, but at America. Bush just happened to be the American on the podium.

I can't believe I'm trying to get a point across to a 22 yr old without a clue(believes everything the uber-liberal media feeds him). No offense to the 22 yr olds that actually know some facts.

Anyway, you won't have to deal with your hatred of Bush much longer, you get to drool all over yourself with your savior soon enough.

comfortablycurt

ND13 wrote: »

He wasn't throwing a shoe at Bush, but at America. Bush just happened to be the American on the podium.

I can't believe I'm trying to get a point across to a 22 yr old without a clue(believes everything the uber-liberal media feeds him). No offense to the 22 yr olds that actually know some facts.

Anyway, you won't have to deal with your hatred of Bush much longer, you get to drool all over yourself with your savior soon enough.

Ok...to start with, I'm a lot more politically conscious than most people my age. You're just getting all worked up because I disagree with you. People disagree...get over it. As I've already said...I'm not the only person around who feels this way.

I assume you're referring to Obama as "my savior"? Am I correct in saying this? Obama is not my savior...I voted for him, but that was simply because I liked him more than McCain. He is by no means the perfect candidate, but I'm staying open minded for the time being, to wait and see how he runs things and what he changes.

What's the "uber-liberal media" that you speak of? My political views come from my personal experiences, and information that I have found on my own. It's not something that someone told me, so "it must be right". You're making a lot of assumptions about me over a post on the internet. Assumptions that really aren't true. I'm not making any assumptions about you, so if it's not to much trouble, please quit trying to tear me down. It's a waste of time on your part.

comfortablycurt

NJPOLKER wrote: »

I am not trying to change anything about you and you are a good guy. You'd have to be to be a member here.
If someone threw those at your mother what would you do?

Well...I respect my mother a lot more than I respect George Bush. She actually has good moral values, something that G. Bush tends to lack a lot of the time.

ND13

I have no love lost for GWB, either(he's made some bad decisions, just like every other President has since GW's day one), but this is a question of respect for the highest office in the land, if not the world.

Go watch your Michael Moore "documentaries" and Oliver Stone conspiracy theory movies so you can be more informed with propaganda like the rest of the sheep.

I feel no need to discuss this with you any further, since you seem to believe GWB is the worst President of all time. I bet you think that Kerry or Gore could/would have done a better job, right? It comes down to whose the best candidate available, not who you're in love with.

I wonder how you would have felt if it were any other American official getting a shoe thrown at them at an international press conference.

Like I said, it was a slap in the face of ALL AMERICANS when it was thrown, not just George W. Bush.

We probably won't live to see it, but GWB will likely go down as a better than average President, just because of the war in Iraq and against terrorism, that he didn't ask for, and the way he dealt with it. I don't recall any more massive attacks on our soil since 9/11, do you? Seems to have done a damn fine job under the circumstances(having virtually every media outlet at his throat on a daily basis).

Jstas

comfortablycurt wrote: »

She actually has good moral values, something that G. Bush tends to lack a lot of the time.

I'd like to see some evidence backing both of those statements up. I do not know your mother so for all I know you could be lying and I fail to see how George Bush's political decision scan or have shown a gross lacking in moral values.

ND13

Ask your mother to bake us some homemade cookies when you get home.:D

Welcome to Club Polk. Hope your skin grows a few mm thicker.

I also hope you respect your mother/parents more than any politician, I know I surely do.

comfortablycurt

ND13 wrote: »

I have no love lost for GWB, either(he's made some bad decisions, just like every other President has since GW's day one), but this is a question of respect for the highest office in the land, if not the world.

Go watch your Michael Moore "documentaries" and Oliver Stone conspiracy theory movies so you can be more informed with propaganda like the rest of the sheep.

I feel no need to discuss this with you any further, since you seem to believe GWB is the worst President of all time. I bet you think that Kerry or Gore could/would have done a better job, right? It comes down to whose the best candidate available, not who you're in love with.

I wonder how you would have felt if it were any other American official getting a shoe thrown at them at an international press conference.

Like I said, it was a slap in the face of ALL AMERICANS when it was thrown, not just George W. Bush.

We probably won't live to see it, but GWB will likely go down as a better than average President, just because of the war in Iraq and against terrorism, that he didn't ask for, and the way he dealt with it. I don't recall any more massive attacks on our soil since 9/11, do you? Seems to have done a damn fine job under the circumstances(having virtually every media outlet at his throat on a daily basis).

Once again, you're making a lot of ungrounded assumptions about me.

I don't think that Kerry or Gore would have done a much better job. Kerry is basically the exact same candidate. Gore, I liked him in some way, but I didn't in others. I'm not going to get into specifics.

It wasn't a slap in the face to me when the shoe got thrown at him. It was a slap in the face to him. I took no offense by it, nor did most of the people that I know.

This is going to be my last post in this thread...so if you continue to repeat the same things over and over again, like you have been this entire time, all you'll be doing is wasting your time. I won't reply to them.

I understand that "it was a slap in the face to America". That has been said like 20 times in this thread. You couldn't make the point much clearer. None of you are speaking for America though...you are speaking for your personal beliefs, and the beliefs of those that you know. Your opinions are what they are...YOUR opinions. Just as my opinions are mine. You don't have to agree with them, you don't have to like them and you can hate me for having them if you want to. It won't affect me in the slightest bit.

shack

comfortablycurt wrote:

Well...I respect my mother a lot more than I respect George Bush. She actually has good moral values, something that G. Bush tends to lack a lot of the time.

I tend to believe that George Bush has excellent moral values. I don't agree with some of his decisions, but I don't question his morals. I cannot say that for some past Presidents. Given some of the things you have said I'm not sure I would put much faith in your mother...then again...maybe it's not her fault.

Oh well....another for the IL.

Face

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