Audiogon's New Fee Structure

F1nut
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edited October 2008 in The Clubhouse
Discuss.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1222547145
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  • BIZILL
    BIZILL Posts: 5,432
    edited September 2008
    when does this take effect jesse? boy, that'd piss me off to be a seller. but i suppose as with everything, inflation, inflation, inflation.:mad::(

    what is it to sell currently? $6? so if this happens, then the seller who just sold to me for $6 to run his add will be charged $4 plus 1.5%? on $750 he'd have to pay $15.25?

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,986
    edited September 2008
    What was it that triggered this? Lawsuit, ownership changes, merger.........?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2008
    ****.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited September 2008
    treitz3 wrote: »
    What was it that triggered this? Lawsuit, ownership changes, merger.........?

    I'm thinking greed.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2008
    Why a percentage and not just raise the flat fee? I understand that charging a percentage makes sense if there is some associated cost/risk from their side (insurance will cost more for more expensive items because the coverage is higher, or even paypal, they provide some protection and their cost will be higher for higher priced items).

    But AUDIOGON???? They don't provide absolutely nothing more than the service, and if an item sells for $100 or $100,000 it will have no impact for them.

    Crooks if you ask me.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2008
    Here's my post on that thread:

    "In my opinion, Audiogon is taking advantage of their position as a relatively safe place to do business.

    I understand that costs go up, and I would completely support an increase in fees (from $6 to $8, or even $10).
    But, charging a percentage only shows they are greedy, and think users are stupid.

    Percentage is something that makes sense if there's a related benefit to the seller, insurance, buyer/seller protection plan, etc.

    But, Audiogon does not provide any of these. For them, the cost to post an item that sells for $10 is the same as the cost for an item that sells for $100,000.

    Pretty unethical if you ask me.

    If I am wrong, I would love to see an Audiogon rep post here correcting me.

    Thanks."
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited September 2008
    Well that was a good run. Next thing you know we'll see a small eBay logo right above the Audiogon trademark.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited September 2008
    Looks like both eBay and Agon are pushing themselves into more and more deals being transacted offsite. I've seen more auctions pulled recently due to supposed local sales than ever.

    A good thing rarely lasts forever.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited September 2008
    If the 'gon makes it more difficult to offload used gear, you may see more people holding onto their existing gear.

    By the way, how do the new audiogon rates compare to ebay?
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited September 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    If the 'gon makes it more difficult to offload used gear, you may see more people holding onto their existing gear.

    By the way, how do the new audiogon rates compare to ebay?

    Or you might see more people finding reliable audio communities to sell their gear such as CP and other forums.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited September 2008
    Is videogon the same way? If not, maybe people will start using that site.
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited September 2008
    Audiogone.net /.biz/.org
    are available domain names.

    Go with the old fee structure, set up a Google adword campaign pushing the rate difference, and you're in business.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited September 2008
    uh, how are they a) going to know when an item sells in the classifieds and b)actually going to collect the money? I imagine a conversation like this

    Audiogon "hey Lou, did that item sell?
    Lou "nope, not even a nibble"

    eh, either way, if I'm gonna be raped by fees, it will be done by Ebay, at least they provide services and have ....like..... a 1000 times more potential buyers. 1.5% of sale for nothing but a listing. suck it! :mad:

    ebay only for me. oh, and during these economic times? good timing stupid! :rolleyes: head of Audiogon should quit and run an investment bank and tank it, he'll make more money for the same results...lol
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  • jephdood
    jephdood Posts: 1,671
    edited September 2008
    The greed started over there when they began charging for WTB's.

    But this pushes it over the edge for me. It's now Craigslist or I'm keeping it.
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited September 2008
    Just sell it for "$1 or best offer." When the e-mail rolls in say someone offered something close to what you want and go from there.

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2008
    Kudos to F1Nut for posting something for the masses...here's another response to the subject....http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=59912.0

    Most of you folks are unaffected but it sucks. I'm not opposed to a flat rate but when you start talking %....I'm gonna walk.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited September 2008
    So to get around the fee structure, do you just post your item, get in contact with someone, sell the item, never indicate that it was sold and never submit any feedback?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    So to get around the fee structure, do you just post your item, get in contact with someone, sell the item, never indicate that it was sold and never submit any feedback?

    After reading most of the thread on A-gon, that's how it appears.

    I have a couple of things I wanted to list, now I have another excuse for putting it off.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited September 2008
    Where else are you gonna hock gear? Club Polk? ;)
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2008
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    Where else are you gonna hock gear? Club Polk? ;)
    I guess I don't have much of a choice now. :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited September 2008
    paypal sucks.

    RT1
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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited September 2008
    Paypal sucks.
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  • tcrossma
    tcrossma Posts: 1,301
    edited September 2008
    Mazeroth wrote: »
    Paypal sucks.

    What sucks to me is waiting for a money order or bank check to arrive, and then going to the bank and standing at the teller for 10 minutes while they try to verify if the check is legit. I hate going to the bank -- I avoid it whenever possible. Paypal may suck but to me it's far better than the alternatives.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2008
    Paypal Rulez.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2008
    that was there plan, and also the key to why they suck.

    RT1
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2008
    They reduced the fee to 1%. Still not good enough IMO.

    Oh, and Paypal does rule.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited October 2008
    Replete with suckiosity. Money rules. Paypal drools.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,986
    edited October 2008
    Paypal and Flea-Prey sucks. Polk Audio rules.
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited October 2008
    Where else are you gonna hock gear? Club Polk?

    I've tried this countless times. . . doesn't work very well for me.

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2008
    Well, when your prices are the same as new...
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