Sometimes it's the little things..

steveinaz
steveinaz Posts: 19,538
edited April 2008 in Speakers
I know, a horse that has been beaten. Lately I've been pretty bored with the sound of my system--not bad, just blah. I decided to mess with placement a little by moving the speakers back about 3" (27" to the front baffles) towards the rear wall. Pay dirt. Just that little change. More impact, more slam, the music is back. This even helped the speakers sonically disappear into the room more. I suspect that tightening all my drivers a couple weeks ago was the culprit to the change in tonal character.

If your system is sounding a little too ordinary, mess with speaker placement--it really is the best free tweak out there.
Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,623
    edited April 2008
    I have found the following speaker placement equation works best for me:

    If (((A+B+C+D) > 0) AND (E>6)) Then "All is good"

    A = distance from wall
    B= distance from side wall
    C= distance between speakers
    D= speaker angle in degrees to center of my head
    E= Number of beers I have consumed
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,019
    edited April 2008
    I think Steve was way past the "E" factor.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited April 2008
    Sorry Steve, the 1st rule in "Recovery" is, ADMITTING you have a problem!
    You're just trying to go 'cold turkey' on us. It'll never work, MUAHAHAHAHA!!!
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited April 2008
    Polkitup2 wrote: »
    I have found the following speaker placement equation works best for me:

    If (((A+B+C+D) > 0) AND (E>6)) Then "All is good"

    A = distance from wall
    B= distance from side wall
    C= distance between speakers
    D= speaker angle in degrees to center of my head
    E= Number of beers I have consumed

    I failed Algebra. But I passed BASIC computer language.

    10 Turn up volume
    20 IF volume is not loud enough THEN GOTO 10 ELSE 30
    30 Drink Beer
    40 GOTO 10
    50 END Program

    :D
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited April 2008
    I know what you mean, Steve. A couple of weeks ago I moved the right speaker over a couple of inches and had to listen to all of favorite CDs again because some of the subtle nuances change. It may not sound "better," but it's definitely different and I enjoyed it. Then a week later I added subs in between each speaker and the audio rack. The presence of the cabinets alone altered the sound, so my frame of reference for my reference music changed again. It's amazing how you can manipulate the sound in such simple ways.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited April 2008
    This a very true method Steve. I've tried it with my old RTA-11's and it did wonders at the time. I've finally gotten my 1C's in the best position and they aren't moving. It took some tweaking but they sound great.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2008
    Tonight I decided to moved my speakers outwards a few inches and it changed the sound of things. Then I decided to toe them in a little, wow. They're imaging so well it's hard to believe there's no center channel there.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited April 2008
    good deal Steve, when I move them myself I also give them a hug, a kiss and a little hump, just so they know I still love them.

    RT1
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,019
    edited April 2008
    good deal Steve, when I move them myself I also give them a hug, a kiss and a little hump, just so they know I still love them.

    RT1

    That explains the lipstick and small,I repeat,small indentations about waist high on those Amazings.:)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited April 2008
    I did massage my tweeters a bit, I think it helped.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited April 2008
    Ditto on your discovery. As my CS2s breakin I have had to readjust their room placement several times.
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited April 2008
    You get so caught up in upgrades, cables, ect, sometimes you forget the basics. I didn't realize how close together my speakers were--thinking they were 8ft, the tape measure revealed they were actually about 6.5' apart. Last night I increased them to 8' with my listening chair at almost 11'. The combination of closer wall placement and wider seperation really made a big difference.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • jayman_1975
    jayman_1975 Posts: 672
    edited April 2008
    i have recently been a big believer in speaker placement. If mine are a little out of wack the whole thing sounds like hell. If the wife moves them for dusting i can tell right away.
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