Carver amp for rti8's

BeRad
BeRad Posts: 736
edited January 2008 in Electronics
I am considering getting something along the lines of a carver av-405 amp to power my csi3, rti8's and surround fxa4's (leave the rears for the avr to handle)

Would this be a decent choice or would I be better off looking for a 2 channel and a monoblock for the center. I don't want to spend 800 bucks on amps right now, but want something more than my yamaha htr-6090 (advertised 120 wpc so probably what, like 75?) to power my 3 fronts.

The 405 is rated at 100 x 2, 110 x 1, and 50 x 2 (5 channel amp)
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,279
    edited January 2008
    With Rti series speakers, what do you wanna gain by adding amps? Your receiver can handle them just fine and at very high volumes.

    Carver amps are very good. You might hear a difference in sound quality but your still using the Yamaha as a preamp.

    Dan
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  • BeRad
    BeRad Posts: 736
    edited January 2008
    Well based on all the reading I have been doing I figured I would get the most out of my rti8's by feeding them a bit more power than the yamaha can put out. I think i will wait untill I actually get them in (still running with the r50's) and see how they sound with just the AVR. I'm just trying to plan ahead for what my next purchase would be and was thinking that an amp would be the next step.
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited January 2008
    I was OK with the 8's hooked up to my HK but the Adcom brought them to a new level and the Carver
    M1.5t brings them even farther. The extra amplification is worth it IMHO.
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  • BeRad
    BeRad Posts: 736
    edited January 2008
    the 1.0t was another I was looking at. What would be reasonable to pay for one (assuming I am bidding on one!) I have no idea what this stuff is worth.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,064
    edited January 2008
    If you want a carver,look for a 705,and up.They are very cheap used.But I would look for something on the warmer side,like B&K,Parrasound.Check Audiogon as they come up all the time,but sell fast.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited January 2008
    The M1.0, 1.5, TFM 25,35, M500(T) all can be had for < $400 and will give you plenty of power and that warm sound. Pickup a mono or a bridgeable TFM 15 for the center and you're good to go.

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited January 2008
    Stay away from M1.0t's in my opinion. Long in the tooth and I feel it was a dog to begin with. I had a fairly new one here many years ago, and I felt very happy when I found a buyer for it. It was nothing compared to other Carver amps such as M1.5t, M-500t and M4.0t. You want 250 wpc from a Carver find a TFM-35 or A-500.
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  • CAvolleyballguy
    CAvolleyballguy Posts: 156
    edited January 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    With Rti series speakers, what do you wanna gain by adding amps? Your receiver can handle them just fine and at very high volumes.

    Carver amps are very good. You might hear a difference in sound quality but your still using the Yamaha as a preamp.

    Dan

    im confused. when i first joined this board, a lot of people said the receivers are inadequate to power the rti speakers, 8s 10s or 12s. everyone said external amps provide a much better sound. are you saing that is not true..
    Rti10 front, csi5, Rti6 surrounds, PSW505, B&K200.7s2, Onkyo705.
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  • Bill Ayotte
    Bill Ayotte Posts: 1,860
    edited January 2008
    CAvolleyballguy wrote: »
    im confused. when i first joined this board, a lot of people said the receivers are inadequate to power the rti speakers, 8s 10s or 12s. everyone said external amps provide a much better sound. are you saing that is not true..

    Nope, you won't quite get the full potential out of those speakers with a receiver, unless it is something like the Sunfire Ultimate.....I think he was looking for what the ultimate goal for his system is at the end of the day. Adding an external amp certainly wouldn't be a step back at all, but if it were me in this instance, I would save for something larger. I would look into a Sunfire 200X5, save and buy it, then call it a day. More than enough to push the RTi, and would do a good job pushing LSis if he wanted to upgrade later.
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  • BeRad
    BeRad Posts: 736
    edited January 2008
    Thank you all for the input. I think I'll sleep on it for 2 months or so ;)
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  • skipf
    skipf Posts: 694
    edited January 2008
    Try a Carver M-500t. They pair really well with Polk speakers.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited January 2008
    Smart move sleep on it & continue to save money!:D
    BeRad wrote: »
    Thank you all for the input. I think I'll sleep on it for 2 months or so ;)
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  • DannyD
    DannyD Posts: 133
    edited January 2008
    Bill Ayotte wrote: »
    Nope, you won't quite get the full potential out of those speakers with a receiver, unless it is something like the Sunfire Ultimate.....I think he was looking for what the ultimate goal for his system is at the end of the day. Adding an external amp certainly wouldn't be a step back at all, but if it were me in this instance, I would save for something larger. I would look into a Sunfire 200X5, save and buy it, then call it a day. More than enough to push the RTi, and would do a good job pushing LSis if he wanted to upgrade later.

    So......by adding an external amp to a receiver (HK247 in my situation) would not be the same as if you were to buy the matching preamp for the external amp? I was under the impression that as long as the external amp was good enough...lets say 200-250wpc, it didn't matter if you hooked it up to your current receiver (HK247) because you would no longer be using to amplifier in the receiver to power your speakers.
    Fronts: RTI10's
    Center: CSIA6
    Rears: RTIA3's
    Sub: 15" Velodyne DLS5000R x2 Stacked:D:D:D
    Amp: Marantz MM-9000 150wpc (bi-amped for RTI10's) and CSIA6
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  • DannyD
    DannyD Posts: 133
    edited January 2008
    Bill Ayotte wrote: »
    Nope, you won't quite get the full potential out of those speakers with a receiver, unless it is something like the Sunfire Ultimate.....I think he was looking for what the ultimate goal for his system is at the end of the day. Adding an external amp certainly wouldn't be a step back at all, but if it were me in this instance, I would save for something larger. I would look into a Sunfire 200X5, save and buy it, then call it a day. More than enough to push the RTi, and would do a good job pushing LSis if he wanted to upgrade later.

    So......by adding an external amp to a receiver (HK247 in my situation) would not be the same as if you were to buy the matching preamp for the external amp? I was under the impression that as long as the external amp was good enough...lets say 200-250wpc, it didn't matter if you hooked it up to your current receiver (HK247) because you would no longer be using the amplifier in the receiver to power your speakers.
    Fronts: RTI10's
    Center: CSIA6
    Rears: RTIA3's
    Sub: 15" Velodyne DLS5000R x2 Stacked:D:D:D
    Amp: Marantz MM-9000 150wpc (bi-amped for RTI10's) and CSIA6
    Blu-Ray: PS3
    Harman Kardon AVR247
    Monster Cables
    Signal Analog II IC's
    Panamax MP-5300 Power Conditioner
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  • DannyD
    DannyD Posts: 133
    edited January 2008
    Does a separate preamp sound better when paired with an external amplifier rather than pairing an amplifier with a AVR? Im gettin confused...
    Fronts: RTI10's
    Center: CSIA6
    Rears: RTIA3's
    Sub: 15" Velodyne DLS5000R x2 Stacked:D:D:D
    Amp: Marantz MM-9000 150wpc (bi-amped for RTI10's) and CSIA6
    Blu-Ray: PS3
    Harman Kardon AVR247
    Monster Cables
    Signal Analog II IC's
    Panamax MP-5300 Power Conditioner
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited January 2008
    In theory,yes. An AVR is built to do many things with many different sound stages where a pre is built to do one thing. So,it stands to reason that with two similarly priced(pre and AVR) components that the pre will sound better because of design.
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