Little ol' question about tubes, that's all.

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2008
    triple blind. live acoustic, no electronics? Who would have the time for that, and what would it solve (prove, disprove?).

    Quit overthinking audio (everyone), this is getting out of hand. It's not rocket surgery - differernt tubes sound different - some are subtle, some not so much.

    The MONEY is in the iron (as I've said before) - and then tubes become nothing more than a loving tweak - vs system tuning. If the iron and circuit are up to par, the particular tube matters much much less.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2008
    I prefer a four iron for more power.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2008
    With the boat anchor inside your amp, you should know all about good iron (even if not for tubes).
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2008
    Hehe....

    I've got some Mercury Magnetics trannies too. :)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2008
    Do you remember that movie 'The Raife' or some such? Kid got a hotrod kit car, and the engine glowed like a reactor - kind of became the batman of the open road? That 'glow' of power is what I think of when I picture you listening to the 2.3's. Like the workers at the national power grid were watching the guages - you powered up - and they said 'What the F....'
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2008
    The Wraith....it wasn't a movie about Darque Knight.
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  • Road Runner
    Road Runner Posts: 106
    edited January 2008
    Tubes might not sound any different from solid state at all. There's this guy who is offering $10,000 to anyone who can hear a difference between amplifiers and supposedly tube amps count:
    Do most commercially available amplifiers qualify for this test, even tube amplifiers and class D amplifiers?

    Yes. Nearly all currently available amplifiers have specs better than what are required for the test. Tube amplifiers generally qualify, as do full range class D amplifiers. It is not clear whether Richard Clark would allow sub amplifiers with a limited frequency response.

    http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    Road Runner wrote: »
    Tubes might not sound any different from solid state at all. There's this guy who is offering $10,000 to anyone who can hear a difference between amplifiers and supposedly tube amps count:



    http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm
    Interesting,Richard Clark mr. ABX himself.His ABX method is shall we say a little contriversial.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2008
    Richard Clark is the Amazing Kreskin of audio. There are way more interesting things to read than his diatribe.
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  • Road Runner
    Road Runner Posts: 106
    edited January 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Interesting,Richard Clark mr. ABX himself.His ABX method is shall we say a little contriversial.

    Yeah, I don't really get the whole thing. I guess the idea is that differences are best heard over time, so switching back and forth quickly won't give good results.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    Road Runner wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't really get the whole thing. I guess the idea is that differences are best heard over time, so switching back and forth quickly won't give good results.
    Yes that is the point that the anti ABX camp makes and I tend agree with their point of view.
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  • ShinAce
    ShinAce Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2008
    It's the opposite, the human ear does not retain 'memory' for very long. We can recognize sounds from long ago, but can't compare them.

    To be able to hear the difference between 2 signals, your best bet is to switch within a matter of seconds. Even better would be to have 10 seconds of test material on repeat to compare with.

    Something as trivial as yawning during such a test will cause a bigger difference in sound than most components can introduce.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2008
    ShinAce wrote: »
    Something as trivial as yawning during such a test will cause a bigger difference in sound than most components can introduce.

    Must be pretty boring sound if you can't get through the test without yawning... :D
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2008
    It's the opposite, the human ear does not retain 'memory' for very long. We can recognize sounds from long ago, but can't compare them.

    That comment makes absolutely no sense. First off, the brain retains memory, the ears are just the conduits. Second and most important, the only way the brain recognizes a sound from long ago is by comparision. Therefore, proving that auditory memory is excellent.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2008
    Waka waka waka waka
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited January 2008
    Burn thread burn. I am sorry to have posted it. :(
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited January 2008
    Ack ack ack ack
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Burn thread burn. I am sorry to have posted it. :(
    Yeh what the hell were you thinking?:D




    I apoloigize for being a troll.:(
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited January 2008
    Burn thread burn. I am sorry to have posted it.
    I think tubes are sort of like the Grateful Dead. You either get it, or you don't, and no amount of argument from one side'll ever convince the other.

    Wasn't the original question something along the lines of "why doesn't someone start making all of the popular tube types again?". Generally speaking, they do. Some never even went out of production.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,497
    edited January 2008
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I think tubes are sort of like the Grateful Dead. You either get it, or you don't, and no amount of argument from one side'll ever convince the other.

    +1 Makes one think the conflict is the real draw.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited January 2008
    In the hands of a skilled designer excellent results can be had from both tubes and SS.Also system synergy and personal preferences are a big factor.
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  • analog97
    analog97 Posts: 328
    edited January 2008
    IMHO, tubes are preferable. What can be better than linear amplification which ocurrs in a vacuum?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2008
    Tubes would have been gone for good since the sixties had they not been better than SS.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited January 2008
    Oh, way to start it back up max.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2008
    Well they would have... :)
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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