Yamaha's new 2 channel components

Danny Tse
Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
edited December 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
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  • hale2thechief
    hale2thechief Posts: 42
    edited October 2007
    That makes my sticker peck out.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited October 2007
    Does anyone know what a XL output is? "XL and optical/coaxial digital outputs"
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  • hale2thechief
    hale2thechief Posts: 42
    edited October 2007
    It a spreadsheet program. You can get a printout of the day's usage, frequency response, tracks on the discs played, etc.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited October 2007
    I love the cosmetics, of course I always liked the older Yamaha styling!
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited October 2007
    Daaaaamn... and I just invested another 300 dollars in my current system... but why do they have to cost so much?!?

    If you are going to bring back the retro look, give me the retro prices man. Even adjusting for inflation, I somehow feel like money went farther in the late 70's and 80's with audio... but maybe it was all an illusion.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited October 2007
    History always repeats itself, cool.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited October 2007
    The retro looking Onkyo 2 channel stereo components have relatively affordable prices....around $500.00 a piece.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited October 2007
    Gaara wrote: »
    Does anyone know what a XL output is? "XL and optical/coaxial digital outputs"

    I would think it would be an XLR three pin type of output connector.. for balanced connectors, unlike a RCA audio unbalanced audio connection
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  • hypertone
    hypertone Posts: 150
    edited October 2007
    I've always liked Yamaha stuff. Their home audio gear is good, and I also like their musical instruments. These pieces are beautiful. Is that real wood on the sides? They should have made it overhang the sides on the front. It would look even nicer.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2007
    I like Yamaha pretty well --

    But man thats an expensive piece of Yamaha gear... just saying... lol
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  • Poee7R
    Poee7R Posts: 904
    edited October 2007
    They look like something you would pick up off of craigslist for twenty five bucks or so.


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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited October 2007
    impressively retro-Yamaha :-)

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  • Chicomoralessxm
    Chicomoralessxm Posts: 417
    edited October 2007
    hmmm i might do some investigating into those like pretty nice
    Chicomorales:)
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited October 2007
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    impressively retro-Yamaha :-)

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    HEY YOU!!! give me back my Yamaha amp.. ;) i have one just like it for my computer rig. i love that thing with those analog meters bouncing back and forth.

    For some reason the Yamaha CA-610II is just one sexy **** of an int amp. I looked at the other Yammies a few steps up the ladder and down a rung or two, and I kept coming back to this one for looks. beefy little 45wpc bugger :)
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  • Chicomoralessxm
    Chicomoralessxm Posts: 417
    edited October 2007
    wait a minute how much are these things going to cost?
    Chicomorales:)
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited October 2007
    1600 and 1900 bucks, respectively. As in... retro looks, without the retro prices.

    I would rather have a real vintage yamaha, unless those prices come down. I almost bought one of the late 70's vintage natural sound receivers... I think I was looking at one with a switch that would put it into pure class A mode.
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  • skipf
    skipf Posts: 694
    edited October 2007
    They look nice, but I sure would hope they work better than the one Yammerhammer integrated I had. That one turned me off on that company forever.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited October 2007
    hale2thechief wrote: »
    It a spreadsheet program. You can get a printout of the day's usage, frequency response, tracks on the discs played, etc.

    You mean short for Excel? If not than I have never heard of it but it would be a interesting feature to have...doesn't make sense with a retro looking component like this though.
    danger boy wrote: »
    I would think it would be an XLR three pin type of output connector.. for balanced connectors, unlike a RCA audio unbalanced audio connection

    I thought they missed the R to but I thought that AES/EBU was the digital out that used XLR. If I recall correctly for digital outputs there is Toslink, Coaxial, AES/EBU, and that other one that uses a locking optical cable.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited October 2007
    The CA-610II was $270 new ca. 1978 (I have the receipt for mine, purchased new when I was in college). In today's dollars, allowing only for CPI inflation, that would be $863.38

    http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

    FWIW, I'd rather have a CA-1010 or 2010, but I couldn't afford one then and I cannot justify one now :-)
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited October 2007
    The integrated weights just under 50lbs, the SACD player just under 40lbs; both are fully balanced designs. I don't see how their overpriced in comparison to what else is out there with the same build quality and design.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited October 2007
    The CA-610II was $270 new ca. 1978 (I have the receipt for mine, purchased new when I was in college). In today's dollars, allowing only for CPI inflation, that would be $863.38

    The CA-610II puts out 40 watts @ 8ohms and 50 @ 4ohms, and wieghs only 18 lbs. The new one puts out 120 watts @ 8ohms and 190 @ 4ohms, and wieghs almost 50 lbs.

    Really not comparable units at all.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited October 2007
    I think you missed the point. If the CA-610II would be $863 today, the price tag of the new 2-channel amp isn't out of line at all.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited October 2007
    that new Yamaha int amp needs analog meters though if they really wanted to pay homage to the 70's retro look. the left half of the face is missing something. meters
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  • dawningphoenix
    dawningphoenix Posts: 39
    edited October 2007
    danger boy wrote: »
    that new Yamaha int amp needs analog meters though if they really wanted to pay homage to the 70's retro look. the left half of the face is missing something. meters

    It really is. It looks kinda empty.
    As for me, I'll stick with my Yamaha M-85. It's all about the big, class A beast that could probably heat my house in the winter.
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  • Spacedeckman
    Spacedeckman Posts: 96
    edited November 2007
    danger boy wrote: »
    that new Yamaha int amp needs analog meters though if they really wanted to pay homage to the 70's retro look. the left half of the face is missing something. meters

    The original CA1000 had no meters, and was built to nearly that build level in about 1973, to the extent available at that time. I imagine the price isn't too far out of the inflationary realm for a modern retake. One thing I'll guarantee you, Yamaha isn't "packing" the price. The price is directly related to the cost of building it. No padding.

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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited November 2007
    How do you know that?

    What mega corporation does not pad prices for a niche group? Most of them do this... they have the manufacturing and distribution capacity that most of the smaller companies would only dream of, but the smaller companies can beat these giants on a price/performance ratio almost always.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited November 2007
    I have always liked yamaha..

    I`m glad they are trying new things....


    I wonder how they sound ?

    I also where one would go to demo these units...
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited November 2007
    Yeah that would be cool... if they had them in more stores for us to test.
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited November 2007
    Dang, they look gorgeous.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited November 2007
    Yashu,

    The complete opposite is true of what you've just said. The giants usually offer better price/performance ratio's because they have economies of scale. The smaller based companies usually are more client related who's owner's pride and associate themselves with the brand image and the hours of labor that went into designing the piece. A Tissot watch offers many of the benefits a more expensive Tag or Breitling watch maker at a much more value incentive price. A Tag or Breitling is still a status symbol and does offer more craftsmanship.

    I have a hard time believing a 50lb integrated amplifier at $2k has padded mark up in relation to other brands. As much as I have a hard time believing there is more margin in a Tissot PRC in comparison to a Breitling Navitimer.
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