Coffee grinder, didn't know
Geoff4rfc
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Uh, wow!!
Just switched from a blade to a burr grinder for the first time. I had no idea what a difference it makes. High efficiency grinder of beans!! I dig it
Just switched from a blade to a burr grinder for the first time. I had no idea what a difference it makes. High efficiency grinder of beans!! I dig it
Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman
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*fixedUh, wow!!
Just switched from Tinder to Grindr for the first time. I had no idea what a difference it makes. High efficiency Grindr of bears!! I dig it
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A good burr grinder is the most important part of a good coffee setup. I have some high end coffee stuff and my burr grinder is the most expensive single piece, even more expensive than the espresso machine.
What grinder did you go with?2 Channel in my home attic/bar/man cave
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I didn't spend a whole lot, went with this.....Costco special
Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
I didn't spend a whole lot, went with this.....Costco special
I have the same one. No reference point on what is better or worse, but I know it’s been dependable.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Reviews state machine for the price but seems to be about as noisy as my blade grinder? Looking for a quiet grinder, maybe I need a hand crank one?Yep, my name really is Bob.
Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub. -
What kind of coffee are you making with it?
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Reviews state machine for the price but seems to be about as noisy as my blade grinder? Looking for a quiet grinder, maybe I need a hand crank one?
I have the setting between fine and medium for four cups....It's much quieter than my bladeSource: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
I don't think I have ever ran across a burr grinder that wasn't loud. Geoff, the difference in taste is that you aren't burning the coffee beans with the blade, you are crushing the beans down with the burr.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I don't think I have ever ran across a burr grinder that wasn't loud. Geoff, the difference in taste is that you aren't burning the coffee beans with the blade, you are crushing the beans down with the burr.
Tom
The heat is good part of it, but the more consistent grind size is also a big part of it.Reviews state machine for the price but seems to be about as noisy as my blade grinder? Looking for a quiet grinder, maybe I need a hand crank one?
Hand crank ones are great bang for the $$$, just get ready for a workout.
I used one for a few years, now my electric burr grinder feels like a total luxury.
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Upstatemax wrote: »I don't think I have ever ran across a burr grinder that wasn't loud. Geoff, the difference in taste is that you aren't burning the coffee beans with the blade, you are crushing the beans down with the burr.
Tom
The heat is good part of it, but the more consistent grind size is also a big part of it.
Right!!! I'm using less coffee with this grinder, in fact half the amount I was using to get the same yield.
Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
Reviews state machine for the price but seems to be about as noisy as my blade grinder? Looking for a quiet grinder, maybe I need a hand crank one?
Use your teeth -
Reviews state machine for the price but seems to be about as noisy as my blade grinder? Looking for a quiet grinder, maybe I need a hand crank one?
Okay, today I paid attention....it's as loud as my blade. I have no qualms with itSource: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
I don't think I have ever ran across a burr grinder that wasn't loud. Geoff, the difference in taste is that you aren't burning the coffee beans with the blade, you are crushing the beans down with the burr.Upstatemax wrote: »The heat is good part of it, but the more consistent grind size is also a big part of it.
Huge part, agreed. The grind size affects the bitterness, extraction, sourness, sweetness, body, flavors, intensity and whether or not you can taste/feel the thickness/heaviness of the final brew. That last part is what I can't stand about Starbucks coffee. It tastes like someone mixed coffee and fine mud, or silt together....nasty.
I try to get a grind that has a decent balance of all of the subtle taste palette notes. Surprisingly, it is finer than most pre-ground coffees, but I get no hint whatsoever of that nasty mud/thickness. The grinder I use has 3 presets. Each one is timed. 1 - for a light bodied coffee. 2 - for my normal coffee. 3 - for when I REALLY need to wake up.
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Starbucks has to have the worst coffee I've ever tasted. I truly don't get it.
If you go to Starbucks, the amount of "coffee". They serve is minimal compared to flavoring and sugar- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Starbucks is good for only one thing. To go in and get a giant bag of used coffee grounds to incorporate into your garden soil for giant buds, I mean weed plants, wait I mean mators, carrots and such....
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I don't "get" Starbucks too...just like I don't "get" McDonalds....like eating soft cardboard covered with condiments.Yep, my name really is Bob.
Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub. -
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If there is a machine that can do all that for under $100, I'm in
Yep, my name really is Bob.
Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub. -
If there is a machine that can do all that for under $100, I'm in
My absolute favorite "bang for the buck" coffee maker, the Chemex pour over options:
https://chemexcoffeemaker.com/collections/classic-series-nav
When I'm at my cabin, it's all I have for coffee there (cabin is "off-grid").
I liked it so much that I got another one for the house.
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That's what I've been doing for almost 3 years now. I talked about it in the original lengthy coffee thread. I use a Hario V60 filter, gooseneck kettle, heat water to 200F, then do the mixing pour in about 3-4 intervals, making sure to keep it mixing well. I pour over into an old stainless insulated carafe that came with my original Capresso drip maker. Keeps it hot for 3-4 hours even with just making a 24oz batch.
Total cost for equipment to switch was about $45 which included 300 filters. Note: I already had a Baratza grinder, which is 10+ years old now and only needed replacement burrs and gears, which were far cheaper than a new grinder. Maybe $25 in parts?
I should mention, I tried a Chemex first, and it ended in a messy glass and coffee ground disaster. My fault. Making pour over when you are tired can be dangerous. After that, I decided, nothing glass or ceramic in my coffee ritual. My Hario is the plastic version.
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We had a decades old Krups blade grinder that was replaced by a Ariete Burr Grinder gift from the coffee aficionado brother. Took some time to dial in for the various extraction methods but worked great until it got sidelined by a Jura ENA8 the wife won at work. It's great for us lazy seniors in the morning and the price was right. I would have never paid for one outright.
The Krups does a great job chopping up the solidified cocktail rimmers for Margs and Cosmos. -
OK, I'm sold on needing a burr grinder. If they make a better tasting drink and use less beans in doing that then over time they pay for itself, right? Any body ever use Capresso 560Infinity Conical Burr Grinder? Reviews seem good and not too much $$.Yep, my name really is Bob.
Parasound HCA1500A(indoor sound) and HCA1000(outdoor sound), Dynaco PAS4, Denon DP1200 w/Shure V15 Type V and Jico SAS stylus, Marantz UD7007, Polk L600, Rythmik L12 sub. -
OK, I'm sold on needing a burr grinder. If they make a better tasting drink and use less beans in doing that then over time they pay for itself, right? Any body ever use Capresso 560Infinity Conical Burr Grinder? Reviews seem good and not too much $$.
I bought a used a Capresso Infinity grinder at the same time I bought my Baratza Encore. I actually liked the Capresso more, but ended up re-selling it because I was worried about the lack of replacement parts. These machines do wear out, so you either need to plan on replacement at certain intervals, or (in the case of Baratza) buy new parts to keep it going.
Compared to the Baratza that I kept, the Capresso was faster and quieter, but it didn't have as many fine adjustments to the grind size. I think it was 12 steps vs 40 steps.
I wouldn't say you will save a significant amount of coffee compared to a blade grinder, but the quality of your grind will be vastly better. More like what you get from a coffee shop. I used a Krups blade grinder for years and there was always a fine line between too many powder fines and too much coarse stuff left. The burr grinder will give a very even grind, which works better for things like espresso machines, percolators, moka pots, french press, pour over, or the drip machines that use a metal mesh filter. You will have less sludge in the bottom and the coffee retains more of the oils and volatiles that are lost with the fury of a blade grinder. It's one of those things that when you switch, you will be like: "Dang, why didn't I do this years ago?"
Note: all my comments only refer to the conical style burr grinders. I have no experience with the flat plane types. I believe the consensus is they aren't as good as the conical style, but I haven't researched that in years. I just remember there were a few low cost non-conical burr grinders that were not recommended (when I was looking 10-12 years ago).
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It's one of those things that when you switch, you will be like: "Dang, why didn't I do this years ago?"
That's exactly what I said!!!!Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
Baratza has great customer service and most parts are available for purchase online. They have clear instructions or videos to help with any tricky repairs. LOUD though.
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Baratza has great customer service and most parts are available for purchase online. They have clear instructions or videos to help with any tricky repairs. LOUD though.
I took mine apart and lined the inside with some dynamat type material. It is still loud, but not as grating on the nerves. Another thing I noticed after I replaced the cone burr last time, the machine is very sensitive to how much you tighten the nut on the bottom of the main gear. The video instructions say to do it just finger tight and that's good advice. I used a socket and it was super loud. Took it apart, loosened and then re-tightened by hand and it was much quieter. -
Just waiting for someone to jump in and suggest replacing the power cable with a conditioning cable to reduce noise and provide a cleaner more accurate grind.The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
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agingboomer wrote: »Just waiting for someone to jump in and suggest replacing the power cable with a conditioning cable to reduce noise and provide a cleaner more accurate grind.
Funny you should say that..........I wired my amp to mine....that sumbitch ground a hole in my counter topSource: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
agingboomer wrote: »Just waiting for someone to jump in and suggest replacing the power cable with a conditioning cable to reduce noise and provide a cleaner more accurate grind.
Power cables may have debatable effects, but sound dampening is well proven to help when/where it is needed. In the case of the Baratza, the thin plastic shell needed some dampening. Ideally, I would have added some closed cell foam as well, but the fit is rather tight (and I didn't have any on hand). This is coming from my old days with DIY car audio installations. -
Eureka, an Italian brand, does a good job of insulating their grinders. One model is the Silenzio. I wish more grinders and coffee makers would have IEC power sockets. My Technivorm’s cord is too long, incredibly stiff and has to be plugged in upside down.
