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  • Dennis GardnerDennis Gardner Posts: 4,888
    edited March 22
    This is a really cool visual site if you are on a PC. Collapse the paywall notice, all CV19 stories are free at NYT for now.

    https://nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    edited March 22
    Read it again Ron, 330 k severe injuries, which means hospital beds. It isn't Corona alone crashing the hospital systems, it's on top of what they already have on their plate between flu, other chronic diseases, heart disease, etc. Beds always run short or close to it this time of year so anything that comes down the pile is going to challenge that systems capabilities.

    Crashing the global economy is being done by choice and ignorance, sprinkle in a little unpreparedness too. Economies would not have crashed if China was open and honest about it from the start. If the WHO didn't ignore early warnings . The spread could have been contained much earlier.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,282
    edited March 22
    For me, what's interesting, after some introspection, is that I never cared about the flu season before. Ignorant? Naive? Maybe. But the flu was something that happened, and you got through it.

    Never got a flu shot. Except when we had mandatory flu shots while in the Military.

    So going forward, will I change my behavior? Well, I'm not getting any younger. I'm in good health. But until next season, I have some time to think about it.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,570
    edited March 22
    No point in trying to convince anyone. There have been hundreds of posts and there will be no convincing Tony and Jesse and some others about covid.

    Just keep chugging along, better use of energy elsewhere.

    And I hope Jesse and Tony are right in the end and this was all bloated.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    edited March 22
    Never had a flu shot myself either, don't plan on it either too in the future. Corona or no corona. That's with 26 million Americans getting the flu. Can't even remember last time I had a flu.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,915
    Joey_V wrote: »
    No point in trying to convince anyone. There have been hundreds of posts and there will be no convincing Tony and Jesse and some others about covid.

    Just keep chugging along, better use of energy elsewhere.

    And I hope Jesse and Tony are right in the end and this was all bloated.

    Nobody needs to be convinced. We all accept that this thing is no joke. What we are saying is the over-hyped panic is ridiculous. The politicization of this is downright criminal, and given the track record displayed by our media and elected officials over the past 4 years breeds skepticism.

    We are all in this together, and if we simply look out for one another, this too shall pass.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    Joey, the virus is real, the response bloated, our preparedness unforgivable. Our Governors lack of taking action sooner, stupid. Our youth, selfish brats. Some adults who still go to parties and bars, clubs.....morons. Our CDC, a joke.
    that about sums it up.

    I for one, would like a detailed explanation of how they are using the billions we just gave them.
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  • charley96charley96 Posts: 146
    tonyb wrote: »
    ....and a quick google search says I'm right.

    26 percent of all motor vehicle crashes are related to the use of cell phones. Each day, 11 teens die in crashes caused by texting and driving. 2.35 million people in the US are injured or disabled by car crashes every year. More than 330,000 of these crashes that cause severe injury are caused by texting and driving.Feb 19, 2019

    Do the math, that's 4015 kids a year die from texting and driving....and we seem ok with that. Nobody is crying to disable cell phones while driving.Those 4k teens, expendable. 30-40-50k flu deaths, expendable. Medical malpractice deaths, and a whole cast of thousands more from various things, expendable. 500 CV deaths, oh heck no, close it all down. Does anyone see my point here ? We, as a society, don't give a rats behind about certain deaths, only the ones we can gather votes with. That's sad, real sad.

    So true. As I've stated before on here, I've been hit 4 times by cell phone drivers. Twice in the same intersection. It is so dangerous and penalties should be much stiffer. It's probably the most disregarded traffic law in Illinois.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    edited March 22
    tonyb wrote: »
    I for one, would like a detailed explanation of how they are using the billions we just gave them.
    Ha! Never gonna happen.

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Ask the Italians if they believe this to be some political hoax.

    Your missing the whole point as usual.
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
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    I like pie.

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    edited March 22
    tonyb wrote: »
    Joey, the virus is real, the response bloated, our preparedness unforgivable. Our Governors lack of taking action sooner, stupid. Our youth, selfish brats. Some adults who still go to parties and bars, clubs.....morons. Our CDC, a joke.
    that about sums it up. I for one, would like a detailed explanation of how they are using the billions we just gave them.

    We're learning more and more the past 3 1/2 years where some $$$ goes and where it doesn't and should.
    I would like to also know why HB got a 2 billion $$ injection from China when every Wall St. Co. could never even dream of such a contract. This past few years has proven to me what I knew almost all my life. Our Gov. is GREAT and it's also has some of the most incompetent bunch of child minded adults making laws and decisions that don't make sense.

    I worked for two bosses in the same line of business;
    #One was pro-active...He was AWSOME.
    # Two was re-active...He was a do-nothing $$$ sucking chair warmer.

    Our Gov. Military Departments are Pro-active Organizations for sure! Thank God for that!
    Our Governing and Policy Applying Gov. are re-active. Can somebody come up with something for them to make a law or rule to apply to such an issue and then they will come up with a $$$ amount that MIGHT satisfy said lobbyists Co. or persons they work for.

    I just heard in the past few days about ALL the meds being made in China for quite a while now.

    Now I'm wondering...Have there been any job cuts at the FDA ?

    I would think so, but it's probably grown by thousands of more jobs. >:)

    I also heard about millions being given to a politicians' wife for her homeless helping Organization. They asked her around 6 months ago where it went. She has no record keeping system so she can't tell the auditors anything.

    That's our Gov. hard at work!!! Spending without representation. It will never end, unless somebody in charge takes a Pro-active stance against that corruption.

    Back to the virus.
    The girl at the burger joint who rang me up looked worn out too. She is now ONLY eating food at work since she is afraid to spend what little money she has. I think I saw tears welling up in her eyes!

    A lot of people are probably afraid like the Lowes home imp. cashier for her reason and this restaurant cashier for hers. 2 different but just as SEVERE worries that are life threatening and or could be life changing.

    CRAZY! :#
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  • Dennis GardnerDennis Gardner Posts: 4,888
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    I'm not saying it's a hoax. The overreaction is. Italy was playing politics and didn't take it seriously. Hug a Chinese ? Really ? That was their early policy while WE were banning travel from China. This is why we don't look like italy right now. That and their higher concentration of old folks more susceptible to the virus.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,570
    Obviously it’s not a hoax.

    We will not agree on the appropriateness of action. So be it. Agree to disagree.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,822
    Joey, take care. We are just getting started with this virus.
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    Joey. Thanks for your input. Where are you based out of....or where are you working now?

    Tom
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,493
    Maybe not Joey, but looking in the rear view mirror won't solve what needs to be solved right now.
    I think we are doing everything that can be done after the fact. With the exception of one thing in my view. That dang southern border is still open. Why ?
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    I forgot about this...!

    Going to the burger joint ( PT's Burgers) tonight, the streets were as bare as I've ever seen them here for over 34 years. :o Maybe just after a Hurricane passes over and we know it's maybe safe to drive around to assess damages around or communities. I have to cross a major thoroughfare for travelers going North or South along the coast to get to PT's burger joint. There's ALWAYS tons of traffic at 5 to 6PM. TONS! Not hardly a vehicle tonight. :|

    It was SURREAL!

    People are taking this seriously here! I think it's because there are SOOO MANY elderly and RETIRED people that live here now. OH, the college UNCW is closed also. That takes about 10 thousand cars off my local streets too. ;)
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,751
    edited March 23
    ^^^I didn't leave out anything.

    Are you on the dole, I believe you are.. How much free stuff you gettin? I am 68 still working, 50-55. Am I paying for that?.

    And stop just making stuff up as you go along..

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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb and dumber.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    edited March 23
    :)
    Post edited by Tony M on
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,751
    edited March 23
    Tony M wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Stock futures for Monday down 5%.



    You left out why they are down for Monday. Because Democrats held up the passage of the 2 trillion dollar relief package to play politics in a time of crisis. I'm sure some more pork will be added to make it a 2.5 trillion package. What once had bipartisan support suddenly doesn't, and the markets reflect that.

    I heard the Dems already wanted to give that abortion Co., Planned Parenthood, money in the previous draft but was denied. I'm not being pol., just talking what might be a fact pertaining a to funding expenditure Bill earmarked to help fight this virus BUT also included those pork spending tags that get mixed into the small print.

    Just like Tony said earlier, if PP got a chunk of Fed. grant money with this Virus $$ bill, you better believe just like years before, people would be getting election donations when the time comes. Just Facts here. Proven historical facts. Both sides do it.

    What we need is a ONE PARTY Government to help all Americans, right? I'll keep dreaming. :p

    Of course you heard that, you have no proof but you are compelled to repeat it anyway.

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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb and dumber.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,915
    Tony M wrote: »

    What we need is a ONE PARTY Government to help all Americans, right? I'll keep dreaming. :p

    One party government? Tried that in the USSR... no thanks.
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  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,751
    FED's Bullard announced a -.50% GDP causing stocks to be down 1000 points Monday premarket.
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    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,822
    I’m not sure how the current spending bills being voted on will help the stock market, but some think they will. The only thing that will help the stock market is a cure for the virus.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    edited March 23
    :|


    Post edited by Tony M on
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    edited March 23
    >:)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,822
    TonyM. What are you babbling about? Are you trying to get this thread closed?
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,396
    Tony M wrote: »

    What we need is a ONE PARTY Government to help all Americans, right? I'll keep dreaming. :p

    One party government? Tried that in the USSR... no thanks.

    I was going to add a little more but thought not to.

    But here was my immediate after thought that I didn't add;


    But we need 2 parties for sure. It's been this way for how long now?

    One for people. So people can decide how they want to live.

    The other will be for people who want the Gov. to run their lives.
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