We still have whole continents still in the dark ages, that are run by despots, circulate most the drugs on the planet too.
But who buys the drugs that are produced in those third world countries? It's not poor people in third world countries. The US and the UK are the top "importers" of cocaine. The U.S. alone consumes 60% of the world's cocaine production and 30% of the world's opioid production. If you take the North American and European drug markets out of the equation for illicit drug trade, who would the drug cartels in those "dark age continents" have left to sell too?
My point is that you can't talk about or point a finger at the POS illegal drug producers in those "dark age third world countries" with out pointing both hands and ten toes at the POS illegal drug addicts at every social and economic level in those "rich first world" countries.
South America and Africa, poverty abounds on both continents. Sooner or later we have to start annexing those lands to not only help those native people live better lives without fear , but to also control diseases.
A cursory review of history indicates that poverty did not abound among the indigenous peoples of North America, South America and Africa until European contact. European contact also brought a slew of diseases that wiped out large numbers of the indigenous populations. My historical information might be incorrect though. Do you have some credible historical evidence to the contrary?
Obviously once that barn door is open, China and Russia will also want in on that.
I might be wrong, but I think China and Russia have learned their lessons about colonialism and empire building. China has enough to contend with trying to keep a grip on its 1.3 billion population.
Or we can simply take them over on a permanent basis, with their obvious permission, not by force. Buy them in other words. For the money we are spending on the virus response, we could buy a few countries I think. You can't win the game of Monopoly by just holding on to Boardwalk and Parkplace.
Global empires are extremely expensive to acquire and maintain. This country is close to 30 trillion dollars in debt. Where would we get the money to "buy" other coutries? We have to borrow huge sums of money every year just to keep the government functioning.
Sure, colonialism of the past has a poor track record. Different times today. We basically have two giant continents with multiple small countries in poverty and have been for decades.
People aren't getting together in caravans of thousands of people to come here because they love their life in their home country. We can't absorb, or Europe too can't absorb the whole of people in poverty on the planet.
If you could make their country more like the U.S., they'd stay put, be happier, have some future for their children.
Show me an alternative then, I'm all ears. Aside doing the same things and just letting people die and diseases run rampant. Well, everyone has been fairly desensitized to death anyway.. nobody cares that these diseases kill people over there.....just not here. Then one shows up here, we lose 20k people and now we pay attention ?
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Sure, colonialism of the past has a poor track record. Different times today. We basically have two giant continents with multiple small countries in poverty and have been for decades.
The times and methods colonialism are different, but the results are the same: siphoning money and resources out of smaller, weaker nations. Multinational corporations are doing the colonizing today rather than governments. Indigenous peoples are not being quickly slaughtered by invading armies, but are being slowly slaughtered by the obesity and heart disease caused by soft drinks and fast food, by pollution caused by allowing corporations to operate with no consideration for environmental safety at all, and drug wars over the rights to keep this country's drug addicts in "high supply".
If you could make their country more like the U.S., they'd stay put, be happier, have some future for their children.
Again, root cause analysis: go back to the time when people weren't getting together in caravans of thousands and see what circumstances occurred to cause them to flee their homeland. I think you will find, in many cases, that the trail leads all the way back to colonialism and the remaining vestiges of it.
Show me an alternative then, I'm all ears. Aside doing the same things and just letting people die and diseases run rampant. Well, everyone has been fairly desensitized to death anyway.. nobody cares that these diseases kill people over there.....just not here. Then one shows up here, we lose 20k people and now we pay attention ?
Before we go on a "save the world" campaign, there are too many things to be fixed in our own country. For starters:
1. Rebuild our education system. Focus on developing critical thinking skills. Stop predatory lending in student loans. People are coming out of college with mortgage sized student loan payments.
2. Fix our healthcare system. That includes adequate preparation for epidemics and pandemics.
3. As a nation, learn to live within our means on an individual level and on a governmental level. If this addiction to deficit spending doesn't end, it is going to get to a point where we are going to have to sell national assets to satisfy national debts. Oh, you think it can't or won't happen here? Ask around in the former British Empire.
4. You want the caravans and illegal immigration to stop? Easy. Stop corporations and private citizens from providing jobs to illegal immigrants. This problem could be fixed overnight by stiff fines for hiring illegals. Construction companies and restaurants wouldn't be so keen to hire illegals if they were in danger of paying a $100,000 fine for every illegal caught in their employ. Mexico and other countries have no incentive to make things better in their countries when they can dump people here and have them send back BILLIONS of dollars annually.
Doing the above would be leading by example.
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Sure, colonialism of the past has a poor track record. Different times today. We basically have two giant continents with multiple small countries in poverty and have been for decades.
People aren't getting together in caravans of thousands of people to come here because they love their life in their home country. We can't absorb, or Europe too can't absorb the whole of people in poverty on the planet.
If you could make their country more like the U.S., they'd stay put, be happier, have some future for their children.
Show me an alternative then, I'm all ears. Aside doing the same things and just letting people die and diseases run rampant. Well, everyone has been fairly desensitized to death anyway.. nobody cares that these diseases kill people over there.....just not here. Then one shows up here, we lose 20k people and now we pay attention ?
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The times and methods colonialism are different, but the results are the same: siphoning money and resources out of smaller, weaker nations. Multinational corporations are doing the colonizing today rather than governments. Indigenous peoples are not being quickly slaughtered by invading armies, but are being slowly slaughtered by the obesity and heart disease caused by soft drinks and fast food, by pollution caused by allowing corporations to operate with no consideration for environmental safety at all, and drug wars over the rights to keep this country's drug addicts in "high supply".
You're right. But I prefer to look at root causes, rather than pointing fingers at symptoms.
That's true, but we, and Europe, don't seem to have any qualms about absorbing money and resources from those impoverished countries.
Again, root cause analysis: go back to the time when people weren't getting together in caravans of thousands and see what circumstances occurred to cause them to flee their homeland. I think you will find, in many cases, that the trail leads all the way back to colonialism and the remaining vestiges of it.
Before we go on a "save the world" campaign, there are too many things to be fixed in our own country. For starters:
1. Rebuild our education system. Focus on developing critical thinking skills. Stop predatory lending in student loans. People are coming out of college with mortgage sized student loan payments.
2. Fix our healthcare system. That includes adequate preparation for epidemics and pandemics.
3. As a nation, learn to live within our means on an individual level and on a governmental level. If this addiction to deficit spending doesn't end, it is going to get to a point where we are going to have to sell national assets to satisfy national debts. Oh, you think it can't or won't happen here? Ask around in the former British Empire.
4. You want the caravans and illegal immigration to stop? Easy. Stop corporations and private citizens from providing jobs to illegal immigrants. This problem could be fixed overnight by stiff fines for hiring illegals. Construction companies and restaurants wouldn't be so keen to hire illegals if they were in danger of paying a $100,000 fine for every illegal caught in their employ. Mexico and other countries have no incentive to make things better in their countries when they can dump people here and have them send back BILLIONS of dollars annually.
Doing the above would be leading by example.
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