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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,504
    tonyb wrote: »
    Is it not worth making some of those countries in Africa , American territories so we can change up things.

    Colonialism was tried by

    The Roman Empire,
    The Soviet Empire,
    The British Empire.

    It didn't end well for any of those examples. Why do you think it would be different for a United States Empire?
    tonyb wrote: »
    We still have whole continents still in the dark ages, that are run by despots, circulate most the drugs on the planet too.

    But who buys the drugs that are produced in those third world countries? It's not poor people in third world countries. The US and the UK are the top "importers" of cocaine. The U.S. alone consumes 60% of the world's cocaine production and 30% of the world's opioid production. If you take the North American and European drug markets out of the equation for illicit drug trade, who would the drug cartels in those "dark age continents" have left to sell too?

    My point is that you can't talk about or point a finger at the POS illegal drug producers in those "dark age third world countries" with out pointing both hands and ten toes at the POS illegal drug addicts at every social and economic level in those "rich first world" countries.
    tonyb wrote: »
    South America and Africa, poverty abounds on both continents. Sooner or later we have to start annexing those lands to not only help those native people live better lives without fear , but to also control diseases.

    A cursory review of history indicates that poverty did not abound among the indigenous peoples of North America, South America and Africa until European contact. European contact also brought a slew of diseases that wiped out large numbers of the indigenous populations. My historical information might be incorrect though. Do you have some credible historical evidence to the contrary?
    tonyb wrote: »
    Obviously once that barn door is open, China and Russia will also want in on that.

    I might be wrong, but I think China and Russia have learned their lessons about colonialism and empire building. China has enough to contend with trying to keep a grip on its 1.3 billion population.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Or we can simply take them over on a permanent basis, with their obvious permission, not by force. Buy them in other words. For the money we are spending on the virus response, we could buy a few countries I think. :) You can't win the game of Monopoly by just holding on to Boardwalk and Parkplace.

    Global empires are extremely expensive to acquire and maintain. This country is close to 30 trillion dollars in debt. Where would we get the money to "buy" other coutries? We have to borrow huge sums of money every year just to keep the government functioning.

    Sure, colonialism of the past has a poor track record. Different times today. We basically have two giant continents with multiple small countries in poverty and have been for decades.

    People aren't getting together in caravans of thousands of people to come here because they love their life in their home country. We can't absorb, or Europe too can't absorb the whole of people in poverty on the planet.
    If you could make their country more like the U.S., they'd stay put, be happier, have some future for their children.

    Show me an alternative then, I'm all ears. Aside doing the same things and just letting people die and diseases run rampant. Well, everyone has been fairly desensitized to death anyway.. nobody cares that these diseases kill people over there.....just not here. Then one shows up here, we lose 20k people and now we pay attention ?
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    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
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