Speaker Cable reccomendations & Bi-wire or standard with matching jumpers

rburgess714

Looking for speaker cables. Want to know if I should look for ones to bi-wire or "standard" with matching jumper cables? Ones that would bring out the best in my rig.

I know cables can be very expensive and that's subjective but I would rather not spend more than $200.

Any thoughts on Signal Cables?

Thanks,
RB

Nightfall

You might want to fully flesh out your thoughts before typing half of them down.

rburgess714

Nightfall wrote: »

You might want to fully flesh out your thoughts before typing half of them down.

Yeah I fat fingered my tablet..edited and posted.

Nightfall

I think generally going the route of single run and jumpers is cheaper than biwire.

rburgess714

Nightfall wrote: »

I think generally going the route of single run and jumpers is cheaper than biwire.

If you go that route using terminated cables do you just use speaker wire for jumpers?

Nightfall

You can get jumpers that have banana's on one end and spades on the other so that no matter what ends your speaker cables have you can still use the jumpers, you don't have to use unterminated speaker cable for jumpers. I think that's what you're asking.

rburgess714

Nightfall wrote: »

You can get jumpers that have banana's on one end and spades on the other so that no matter what ends your speaker cables have you can still use the jumpers, you don't have to use unterminated speaker cable for jumpers. I think that's what you're asking.

Roger that...so what vendors make jumpers like the ones in your picture and matching speaker cables within my budget? Or does it not matter?

Nightfall

There are about a million options.

One would be to get in touch with @helipilotdoug I'm sure he can do something in your budget and he gives discounts to Club Polk members.

rburgess714

Nightfall wrote: »

There are about a million options.

One would be to get in touch with @helipilotdoug I'm sure he can do something in your budget and he gives discounts to Club Polk members.

Thank you sir.

[Deleted User]

"Any thoughts on Signal Cables?" Not a bad option, but there is no way that I can tell you they will sound great w/ your system.

I like WireWorld with Polks. Maybe @dskip can recommend a smooth sounding
WW cable in the $200 range...

tonyb

200 bucks won't buy too much on the new markets but it might go further on the used markets.

That said, tell us more about the gear you have, the music genre's you listen to, and the sound you like, more forward/relaxed/warmer/more neutral....

rburgess714

tonyb wrote: »

200 bucks won't buy too much on the new markets but it might go further on the used markets.

That said, tell us more about the gear you have, the music genre's you listen to, and the sound you like, more forward/relaxed/warmer/more neutral....

rednedtugent wrote: »

"Any thoughts on Signal Cables?" Not a bad option, but there is no way that I can tell you they will sound great w/ your system.

I like WireWorld with Polks. Maybe @dskip can recommend a smooth sounding
WW cable in the $200 range...

What charateristics would the Signals add what would would I be missing?

@ DSkip did reccomend some used PNF Symphony's and sent tne link to audiogon and I waited to long and missed out.

rburgess714

tonyb wrote: »

200 bucks won't buy too much on the new markets but it might go further on the used markets.

That said, tell us more about the gear you have, the music genre's you listen to, and the sound you like, more forward/relaxed/warmer/more neutral....

Didn't address your question. I like a wide range of music primarily rock and I do prefer a warmer sound. My gear is yamaha aventage rx-a1060, Parasound A23, S60s.

[Deleted User]

1) No way for anyone to answer your question.

2) DSkip made a good recommendation.

rburgess714

DSkip wrote: »

I have been using the Wireworld Helicon 16 OCC with my Signatures and have been enjoying it. The cable is designed for internal wiring, but it can be terminated by Wireworld and used for external wiring. The benefit of this cable is the fact that it is OCC - a forging process that greatly improves clarity and detail in the music. It is only 16 gauge and that turns some people off.

I wish you could have snagged those PNF cables. They are danged nice cables.

Yeah man, I got spun up with work...and blew it.

It's a journey not a race

tonyb

Gregg Straley reality cables is a great budget cable and can be had for around 150 bucks on the used markets, even in bi-wired form. Kimber cable is another brand that trends on the warmer side of neutral. You might be able to hound up an older series of MIT cables also, but 200 bones is pushing it. Morrow cables might be another off the top of my head.

The Signal cables to my ears are more spot on neutral, not warm, not too bright either, but lack some dynamics/details. They are a good budget cable, but I don't think they are that much of a gain over standard Home Depot 12 ga. wire. Just my opinion of course.

Audioquest is more neutral too, but with more detail and dynamics than some other budget brands. Their lower series can sound a bit edgy on those higher frequencies though. They have so many different series now it's hard to keep track of them all and their sound signatures.

tonyb

http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649298894-harmonic-technology-pro-9-biwire-speaker-cable/

Harmonic Tech is also a stellar brand. I know these are double your budget, but you rarely see these cables in bi-wire form for this price. Even if your not interested, maybe somebody else is because this is a steal of a deal.

tonyb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322424918039?rmvSB=true

Here's a set of 3 10 ft runs of MIT exp 3 speaker cables for 150 bucks.

ken brydson

tonyb wrote: »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322424918039?rmvSB=true

Here's a set of 3 10 ft runs of MIT exp 3 speaker cables for 150 bucks.

I can't tell from the pic's if those are part of the batch with the directional arrows reversed. If so, they were cheaper than that new IIRC.

pitdogg2

tonyb wrote: »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322424918039?rmvSB=true

Here's a set of 3 10 ft runs of MIT exp 3 speaker cables for 150 bucks.

believe that is PFB no? ^^^^^

Signal depending on the cable "Signal Ultra" is two runs of Canare 4S8 speaker cable. Just buy the Canare 4S11 if that is what you wish and terminate yourself.

tonyb

I believe you may be right, didn't even pick up on it. Gettin' slow man....lol

littlewoodboats

rburgess714 wrote: »

What charateristics would the Signals add what would would I be missing? .

Buying Signal Cables from Frank is not a bad option. We ran Signal Cables for several years prior to the upgrade to MIT. The customer service from Frank is excellent but so is the service from Douglas Connection.

Both Frank and Doug will make jumpers . Buy either with confidence if that is your budget.

Signal Cables are good budget cables and worth the money in my opinion. They lack in clarity and resolution compared to the Shotgun S3.3's we run now but the price and tech makes comparing the different brands unfair.

rburgess714

Thanks gents for the input. I need to digest the information and dig around some this evening.

michael1947

So is there something wrong with the MIT cables in question?

Manticore

Just curious,
If i am understanding this conversation correctly, if i chose to use the same speaker wire for jumpers as i used for the initial speaker run, instead of the stock bar that is from the factory this would also be (better) or more acceptable than not using jumpers at all??
I am not in the market for high end speaker cables but, if there would be some improvement or benefit I am more than willing to try it.

dromunds

Yes, using the same wire from your speaker cables for your jumpers is superior to the stock bar. Assuming of course your speaker cables are decent in the first place. Lol.

tonyb

Manticore wrote: »

Just curious,
If i am understanding this conversation correctly, if i chose to use the same speaker wire for jumpers as i used for the initial speaker run, instead of the stock bar that is from the factory this would also be (better) or more acceptable than not using jumpers at all??
I am not in the market for high end speaker cables but, if there would be some improvement or benefit I am more than willing to try it.

Yes, but not using jumpers at all has me confused. The little thin pieces of metal that came with your speakers, replace those with the same wire your using as speaker cables.....if they are of decent quality that is. If your using something like Home Depot speaker wire, it may not make a big difference. You can also use a biwired speaker cable too, accomplishes the same thing.

Manticore

Thanks for the feedback about the jumpers. Sorry tonyb I was over thinking my question. It sounded correct in my head but when typing it out I was way off. I am using this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009EADB2Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
for my speaker runs. I guess it is getting the job done. I think I was asking if by using my own wire jumper it would be better than using the stock one. Now that you can see what I am using as speaker wire. Whats the opinion??

F1nut

Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire Cable

They need a better translation.

That's your basic zip cord type cable. Regardless, it's better than those plate jumpers.

Manticore

Thats what I was also thinking. Basic zip cord wire. I have absolutely nothing else to compare this with so for now I will just make up a few wire jumpers and see if I can even remotely hear some difference.

F1nut; " They need a better translation" the term they used
This did not make any sense to me either. I was just under the impression that solid copper wire was a good thing instead of copper clad and such. Until I am ready to purchase something different I guess this will have to do. I have a HT store that I frequent so I will ask besides new and used gear do they ever have any second hand speaker connects. Thanks

OleBoot

@Manticore - is your username a reference to the mythical beast or the record deck of the same name?