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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 1,110
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    Straight up -25 below winds are calm a little warm up to 10 deegrees with 3 inches of snow in route a clipper that will bring the snow total for the month to 24 inches give or take.

    I meant 34 inches give or take that extra 10 makes a difference from what I hear that clipper is already pushing through Waterloo and Cedar Rapids and heading our way temps have risen to -17.

    You close to Cedar Rapids? We've got a facility there.

    We just hit -30 and I'm so delighted to hear snow is on the way...

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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,129
    My mother told me that yesterday morning at 3am she woke up to cold house. Furnace wasn't working. She called furnace guy at 3:15am and left voicemail. He called back almost immediately and said he was out working around the clock and had checked his voicemail. He had two others ahead of her but he'd be there at 5:30. He got there and the furnace was fine so he asked if she was out of propane. She said she'd just filled it up last week. He then noticed the regulator had snow in it and he took my mother's hair dryer and melted the snow in the regulator and said it was from the snow blowing around. My mother said the LP gas company had put a new regulator in early summer when filling tank because they said her's was old and out of code. He said if the furnace stopped again to call them and find out why its doing that. Within six hours the furnace went out again. So my 80 year old mother goes out in -50 wind chill and uses the hair dryer on the regulator and the furnace is good to go again. I told her also to get the LP company out there pronto to figure out why the regulator is getting clogged with snow - in all the years my parents had LP furnace, they've never had a single problem until they put that new regulator in. Anybody have any idea what this could be caused by? The only thing different is the regulator. She can't have another incident like this. Cheap ill designed regulators now? Anybody heard of this problem?
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  • chumliechumlie Posts: 8,547
    A balmy 1 outside, But it's nice and sunny. 54 predicted for Sunday.
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,453
    dromunds wrote: »
    Weatherman just noted that since this time yesterday morning it was -60 below and Sunday may be 40 above, it’s a 100 degree difference in 4 days counting windchill! Unreal.

    A 100 degree climb in temperature sounds like global warming to me. :#
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 8,274
    edited January 31
    They sell some awesome propane indoor heaters that screw onto the top of Propane tanks. There's those kerosene "jet engine" type heaters that'll make you sweat in a warehouse.

    Precautions must be observed of course! ;)
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,895
    ALL212 wrote: »
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    Straight up -25 below winds are calm a little warm up to 10 deegrees with 3 inches of snow in route a clipper that will bring the snow total for the month to 24 inches give or take.

    I meant 34 inches give or take that extra 10 makes a difference from what I hear that clipper is already pushing through Waterloo and Cedar Rapids and heading our way temps have risen to -17.

    You close to Cedar Rapids? We've got a facility there.

    We just hit -30 and I'm so delighted to hear snow is on the way...

    About an hour and 20 minutes southeast of Cedar Rapids. Look at what's coming your way.
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    Temps have risen to -5 below and the Alberta Express or whatever they call these clippers has arrived to drop 3-4 inches of snow meaning I get to go home and dig out for the umpteenth time. Punch #3 of the 1 2 3 punch first the snow then the Artic Vortex now the snow. I'm hearing this stuff is heading towards Florida and put a freeze on them.
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,429
    Heat? What's that .... I've never turned mine on...

    75 here today.... B)
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,732
    At the very least a Kerosene heater. Mine has paid for itself a dozen times when the power failed.
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  • verbverb Posts: 6,811
    Well, even the Post Office is down! First time ever for me, IIRC.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,732
    verb wrote: »
    Well, even the Post Office is down! First time ever for me, IIRC.

    Been offline in central Illinois for two days....
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  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,254
    edited February 1
    We now have 4 inches snow dumped on us. Road conditions are a mess. Schools closed for the third consecutive day. But we are getting into the 20's in central Indiana.

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  • WillowWillow Posts: 9,539
    verb wrote: »
    Well, even the Post Office is down! First time ever for me, IIRC.

    We never get anything shut down here it could be -30 and we are to get tons of snow, everyone still goes to work
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  • verbverb Posts: 6,811
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Heat? What's that .... I've never turned mine on...

    75 here today.... B)

    Yes, you suck! :smile: One day, after I retire, love to be a snow bird! :smile:
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,429
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    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,732
    edited February 1
    you sir suck....

    with all due respect of course B)
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  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,396
    Shut up Mikey....
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,429
    Some serious cold weather up north

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    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,732
    See not all the Glaciers are melting...
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,429
    I see a pattern developing,

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    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub | SVS SB2000 Sub | Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,895
    35 deegrees today might bust the shorts out, 60 degrees warmer than Wednesday night. Actually after my morning Mountain dew and when this CD is done were packing up the cruiser with ice fishing gear and heading out. Try doing that down in Florida.
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,429
    Our bait is bigger than what you'll catch thru a hole in the ice.

    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,895
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    The outlay bout 20 huts 40 degrees will get the heaters out once the sun goes down. Of
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,895
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    Manning the hole the boys are going after Muskie and bass, until it get dark and the coyote start yipping plan on a all nighter.
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  • deronb1deronb1 Posts: 4,671
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Some serious cold weather up north

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    An Upper Decker frozen in the middle woulda been classic
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  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,463
    We've had a mild winter here in the PNW. First snowfall yesterday, half an inch creates havoc, 6" is snowpocolips....fb1ak9jot24i.jpg
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,732
    ken brydson wrote: »
    We've had a mild winter here in the PNW. First snowfall yesterday, half an inch creates havoc, 6" is snowpocolips....fb1ak9jot24i.jpg

    DAYUM that's BRUTAL!!! :D :D :D
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  • dolbyddolbyd Posts: 376
    ken brydson wrote: »
    We've had a mild winter here in the PNW. First snowfall yesterday, half an inch creates havoc, 6" is snowpocolips....fb1ak9jot24i.jpg

    That storm just hit SLC today. We should have 2 to 4 feet of snow at the resorts by Wednesday night.
    Good year for skiing and watering the lawn this summer.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 5,513
    Said "snow" but just lousy drizzle so far
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  • verbverb Posts: 6,811
    Ice storms tomorrow. SE Michigan. We’re told to work from home. PJ day on Wednesday! :smile:
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