New amp with minimal improvement

nooshinjohn

I think he fixed that problem Brock... he arc-welded coat hangers to the remains of the binding posts, then crimped a pair of roach-clips to them. They work better than factory now and grip the 22guage lampcord spearker wire very well.

kuntasensei

rebuy wrote: »

I think you guys are being a little hard on a guy for asking a question about his gear.

Oh, don't let civility stop them. They're too busy making the guy feel buyer's remorse instead of leaving him alone to happily listen to his gear.

And that's what I've been talking about. Ask a question about how to set up just about any other brand here with your Polks and you'll likely get some good feedback. Ask a question about how to set up an Emotiva amp with your Polks and prepare to have people clamoring to rail against you for your purchase. I'm not even saying they aren't right on some level, as I have never heard an Emotiva amp and make no judgments on its quality/value one way or the other... but I do notice there has been a lot of this garbage here. Go figure that people bail on this forum.

nooshinjohn

kuntasensei wrote: »

...Go figure that people bail on this forum.

If you can't take the heat...

Nobody trashed Emo in this thread. All that was pointed out is that there is better out there.

cstmar01

Well I started with a yammy went to an emo with yammy, went to Pio SC05, moved to Adcom, Parasound, then got out of HT did 2 channel have Adcom and now looking for better yet.

If I wasn't pushed and told to go and listen to other things, or at least with the support to do so on this forum, I would have never ventured out and done it.

Emo stuff is good for HT, for me it was brighter in nature than my Adcom or Parasound. People get hung up that an amp is an amp. There are tons of things out there, if music is your main focus and you want it done well, then thats why we like to move up the chain or do something better.

If you enjoy the emo all the power to you, but please don't say its the best thing ever and nothing comes close. The build is not the same as higher end amps and neither is the sound. If Emo was the best then everyone would own them, but there is different flavors for different people, that is what makes this fun.

kuntasensei

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If you can't take the heat...

Nobody trashed Emo in this thread. All that was pointed out is that there is better out there.

Yes... repeatedly... After the OP's question was asked and answered. Not exactly a warm welcome for someone trying to upgrade their gear. Just sayin'.

tonyb

[QUOTE=cstmar01;1723102
If I wasn't pushed and told to go and listen to other things, or at least at the support to do so on this form, I would have never ventured out and done it.
.[/QUOTE]

Cha-ching....and thats what it's all about folks.

polkfarmboy

kuntasensei wrote: »

Yes... repeatedly... After the OP's question was asked and answered. Not exactly a warm welcome for someone trying to upgrade their gear. Just sayin'.

I was with you on one but after it was all said and done the op makes an inflammatory statement like this(Are you saying a 300 watt more expensive amp will go louder than a 300 watt Emo?...Or are your ears telling you that it that much better sounding. If so how,what makes it sound better?) I really think the cat was let out the bag after he said that. I own an emotiva as everyone knows and its not really a horrible amp its just too thin with rolled off highs. I really dont think this thread has carried on into brand bashing but rather brand recognition

kuntasensei

Yeah yeah... someone sell me a used 3-channel Adcom so I can wastefully use it on my RTi70s.

Loud & Clear

I owned an Emo briefly and didn't care for it. That doesn't mean that it doesn't sound good to someone else. I think some folks tend to forget that sound is subjective and believe that they are the sole arbiter of what constitutes good sound: God's gift to those of us whose ears don't measure up to theirs.

halo71

This thread is like an echo, over and over. And a good example of why this forum has the rep it has to some folks on other forums. The OP comes in and asks a question. And BAM...he is told to get a better amp and more experience. Some of us buy what we can afford, or enjoy what is given to us. And some of us can break forum rules and get away with it as well, over and over I might add.

heiney9

I love all the selective reading in here to defend one's point of view. That's right we are all bad and the OP has not done one single thing to incite and keep this going.

H9

nooshinjohn

halo71 wrote: »

This thread is like an echo, over and over. And a good example of why this forum has the rep it has to some folks on other forums. The OP comes in and asks a question. And BAM...he is told to get a better amp and more experience. Some of us buy what we can afford, or enjoy what is given to us. And some of us can break forum rules and get away with it as well, over and over I might add.

..these rose colored glasses, that I'm lookin' through, show only the beauty and they hide all the truth.

halo71

Yes it is Brock....if you are considering Stilly the OP and not Pyrocyborg. The first page of this thread set it all off, and it wasn't the OP that lit the fuse either. Just saying....

John, thats real funny! You know its true! lol

pyrocyborg

BOSE beat them all.

tonyb

C'mon gents, didn't you get the memo ? We are living in the age of "everyone gets a trophy".

No discussion, no opposite points of view, just a slap on the back and a good "atta boy" is all we are suppose to do.

Joe08867

Stilly74 wrote: »

Well I have been powering my speakers just off the receiver and recently decided to get a separate amp to help power them.
I have a onkyo HT-RC 370 receiver
Rti 12(fronts) Csi a6 (center) and Fx 4 (surr) and the amp is a Emotiva xpa 5

I have the fronts setup running ch 1 and 2 to the tops and ch 3 and 4 running to the woofers. Ch 5 running center speaker.
Thing is I can't really tell much of an improvement . Did I just waste $1100 or is there something I'm missing here.

What cracks me up about this thread is the OP asked if he just wasted 1100 bucks. If that isn't someone bashing there own equipment I don't know what is.

EMO fans, please read the whole post before commenting. The OP was told there was better out there only after he bashed his own stuff. I am not a fan of EMO myself but if it makes you happy great, if you want to hear something better IMHO look for B&K, Rotel, Adcom, NAD and many others.

halo71

See, I don't see that comment of his as bashing his own gear. I see it as did I waste money on buying a power amp when it wasn't needed. If he'd bought an Anthem, B&K etc poweramp and said that....would everyone say he was bashing his own gear?

Just an opposite point of view is all....

heiney9

Had he bought a better amp, like those mentioned, maybe he would have heard more of a difference, maybe not. I think that's the point many of us were trying to make. And yes, at times when things stretch to 4 pages or more the OP and the original question/discussion get very diluted and things veer off very quickly. Until I went back and looked I had forgotten who the OP was.

It happens all the time. Plus you make a general post and some people assume it's directed straight at them, when in fact it's general statement and not intended for anyone in particular.

H9

Toolfan66

One of my favorite things I have read here in my short time is:

Those who know know, those who don't know "don't" know they don't know..

kuntasensei

heiney9 wrote: »

Had he bought a better amp, like those mentioned, maybe he would have heard more of a difference, maybe not. I think that's the point many of us were trying to make.

In the original post, he asked, "Did I just waste $1100 or is there something I'm missing here." That wasn't a condemnation of his own gear so much as a question he was asking because it didn't sound right. By post 20, he had figured out that his setup was the problem, as he was running the mains with an 80Hz crossover instead of full range (so there WAS something missing there). It wasn't an issue after that point and he was happy with the sound. As I've said before, the question was asked and answered well before things went downhill.

I'm not trying to belabor this. Just saying that in the future, let's maybe try to avoid playing dogpile on the rabbit and let people be happy with their gear.

bikezappa

"Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway?"

If this is true than anyone's opinion on the sound of an amplifier is as valid as anyone else's opinion.

If my ears tell me amplifier X sounds better than anything else ever made then it's true for me. There is no true better or best amplifier because IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE according to the above quote. Numbers or any measured data relating to an amplifier are meaningless because the ear is KING..... or is it?

heiney9

kuntasensei wrote: »

In the original post, he asked, "Did I just waste $1100 or is there something I'm missing here." That wasn't a condemnation of his own gear so much as a question he was asking because it didn't sound right. By post 20, he had figured out that his setup was the problem, as he was running the mains with an 80Hz crossover instead of full range (so there WAS something missing there). It wasn't an issue after that point and he was happy with the sound. As I've said before, the question was asked and answered well before things went downhill.

I'm not trying to belabor this. Just saying that in the future, let's maybe try to avoid playing dogpile on the rabbit and let people be happy with their gear.

I never said he was condeming his own gear.

It's a discussion and people are going to say what they're going to say.

H9

heiney9

bikezappa wrote: »

"Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway?"

If this is true than anyone's opinion on the sound of an amplifier is as valid as anyone else's opinion.

If my ears tell me amplifier X sounds better than anything else ever made then it's true for me. There is no true better or best amplifier because IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE according to the above quote. Numbers or any measured data relating to an amplifier are meaningless because the ear is KING..... or is it?

Right? So if you hear one amplifier in your life and proclaim it to be the best amplifier made (note; I didn't say best amplifier you heard) then that's it, it's gospel. See the problem is either the OP or someone else stated that Emo was better than anything else, not better than anything HE had heard. BIG, HUGE difference there and probably why the strong opinions. You can't have an opinion on the whole if your entire experience is based on one encounter with one amp. But you see people want to use that to springboard and make silly comments and draw conclusions about all gear. That's when the flac will start.

H9

F1nut

Toolfan66 wrote: »

One of my favorite things I have read here in my short time is:

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

Fixed it for ya.

bikezappa

If it's "all subjective experience" how can anything real be better or worse than something else?

From Webster's.

Subjective: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli.sensations.

In other words, it's all in your head.

heiney9

There you go, time to shut down the forum, no more discussion allowed because it means nothing outside the context of our own brains



Shut 'er down Spanky

H9

headrott

bikezappa wrote: »

If it's "all subjective experience" how can anything real be better or worse than something else?

From Webster's.

Subjective: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli.sensations.

In other words, it's all in your head.

As Morphius stated in the Matrix "How do you define 'real'"? Is real just your brain's interpretation of things? Or is there something deeper (more fundamental that makes you aware) that is aware of what's real?

Also, your interpretation of what the definition of Subjective is, is incorrect. It states, "not directly caused by external stimuli.sensations." That means it is a combination of external stimuli and internal interpretations of that stimuli and therefore not "all in your head". It is your interpretation of external stimuli.

Greg

halo71

bz.....I think you missed the point. Or maybe I have. It seems to me in the first page the OP was in a round about way being told his choice of gear sucked. Then it all went to **** after that. lol

I say enjoy what you want, what you can afford, what you are happy with. Someone somewhere is always going to have better gear. Right now I am loving my Phase Linear 3000 pre, Onkyo M504 power amp and Infinity RS-IIIa's. Reminds me of that song "love the one your with"! :cheesygrin:

bikezappa

I never said I thought audio was a " completely subjective human experience" your quote from Nelson Pass said that.

I strongly believe that quality measured data (distortion, frequency response, wattage....) of an amplifier can define the audio experience.

I don't think the forum should be shut down.

kuntasensei

heiney9 wrote: »

I never said he was condeming his own gear.

Sorry, I was referring to the two posts before yours, not you directly. I should have been clearer on that.

heiney9 wrote: »

It's a discussion and people are going to say what they're going to say.

H9

True, but people should be able to come here, ask a question, have it answered, and not have their choice of gear crapped all over in the process. It'd be one thing if he was about to buy an amp and was considering Emo and then everyone steered him away from them towards better used gear... but that's not the case here. He had a setup issue, resolved it, then the usual melee ensued. That this forum has a reputation for this happening where this particular brand is concerned should say a lot.

I'm not accusing anyone, and this is more of a general observation than anything. I just think that if we actually want people to come here who are interested in this hobby, maybe we should be helpful without trying to make them feel bad about the money they just spent. Otherwise, it's just gonna be US here talking to each other, which is kinda' counter to the point.

Just sayin'... I didn't know half of what I know now when I got started on my home theater journey with a Radio Shack Pro-Logic surround processor and a cheap JVC receiver (and I'm sure I don't know half as much as some of you who have experience with better gear than my paltry system). But if I had come here looking for advice and was met with all of this nonsense, you can bet your **** I wouldn't have stuck around for as long as I have... especially not long enough to learn that I could do better with my gear (and my system's nothing compared to many of you, as much as I love it).